190cm, 100kg size 15 feet transwoman tries to join women's Aussie Rules football

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www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/transgender-footballer-hannah-mouncey-waits-on-aflw-draft-call/news-story/123a463e71aa3c4b9bbd634724ce8f75

Hannah Mouncey wants to join the Australian Football League (this is basically rugby) Women's division.
"Mouncey played the final three games in the ruck for Ainslie and kicked 15 goals, with Canberra officials ruling she was not a safety concern."

this despite the fact
"one [female] player broke her leg in a tangle of legs with Mouncey."

Mouncey says:
“I am female like 50 per cent of the population. I may have been born a bit different but there was a real sense of normality when I transitioned,” she said.

The average MALE AFL player is 188cm and 88kg, so Hannah is both taller and heavier, and if admitted will both the tallest and heaviest player in the entire league.

Hannah was previously on the Australian MALE Olympic handball team as Callum Mouncey.

He's wasting his time!

This is a sports performance expert trying to ave a rational discussion on it.

What I see there is one person acknowledging that males have a sporting advantage over females (even taking testoerone levels out of account), putting their views across in a very calm and collected manner but maintaining that fairness for 'cis' women is also something that needs considered...and someone yelling 'transphobe' at them repeatedly as their arguments are not on the side of science

I think that's what Bambambini meant, Tortoise.

I was marking a young girl who had first represented the NSW team the previous year. I thought I’m going to use all my guile and experience and I’m going to make her regret marking me. All my rhythm started coming back to me. I’d hit it up and I saw fear in her eyes. I had seen this fear in other players eyes before when I was in my prime and making representative teams on a regular basis. It only made me go harder. I was also hitting her hard in defence. In attack each time I ran at her, I could tell she was rattled and scared to tackle me. I was making metres of yardage each time I ran the ball forward and I knew I had mentally broken her

Sounds to me like a man describing how much he gets off on being violent towards women. The football sounds like just an excuse to hurt us to me.

I had a conversation with my TW friend about TW in women's sport last night. She totally got that a TW would be taking away a woman's space in sport and it wouldn't be fair on women. But then she's lovely, hates the word cis and thinks women are treated appallingly by society. She also doesn't call herself a woman, but then she's not a self obsessed navel gazer.

Sounds to me like a man describing how much he gets off on being violent towards women.

Yes. How often does a man get to state that he loved to see the fear in a woman's eyes outside a horrible MRA subreddit where other sad loser men are the only audience? a lot of these arseholes love that they can be so blatantly misogynistic.

I was really quite shocked to see on the Gendertrender post about this issue that the newspapers have erased the mention that Mouncey was in the past, involved in a scrum that broke a woman's leg.

Is this part of the legal right of transgender people to get rid of online evidence of their past history? Surely not, given Mouncey was a transwoman at the time.

Why on earth would it have happened?

I was reading about this elsewhere online, and saw loads of comments like 'but what if a 6ft 3 ciswoman wanted to play? Well I am a 6ft 3 ciswoman, and trying to explain to people that it isn't just about height, it's also about weight (I'm not anywhere near 88kg!), build and yes, strength was like banging my head against a brick wall.

I have a brother who is the same height, but we are world's apart in terms of physical appearance/build, and physically he would always have an advantage over me.

Yeah people seem to deliberately miss the point that male people are generally much stronger and faster than females. Else, why even have the sexes separated in the first place ffs

Mouncey has been interviewed for 60 Minutes on Sunday.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5038909/Transgender-AFL-player-banned-competition-breaks-silence.html

He says he's going to try again next year, and shares more about being a lesbian.

There is going to be a very confused girlfriend who finds her new partner has a penis!!

Has he still got a penis? So he's "still interested in girls always has been" and he has a penis so I wouldn't want my daughter changing with him. Certainly he shouldn't be competing in women's sport.

I am struggling to define my position on this one. I have played rugby for 20 years and I am pretty average height and weight. I have however seen players take on and bring down opposition with a massive height and weight advantage. There are advantages to being small when the best tackles happen around the knees.

I have lot of friends who have played at international level and have seen them put in massive amounts of work to be the biggest and strongest possible but they would just not be able to compete. The current England women's locks who are generally the tallest players are under 6 foot and around 85kg. The idea that another player would be able to walk into the team and take their place because they have the physiology if a man leaves me uncomfortable.

In Super rugby the lightest player is 80kg whilst the heaviest is 140kg so there is often big disparities. However, the intrinsic upper body strength a man has would be a massive advantage. I think this is probably the biggest factor which would make the difference. Height and weight are far less of an advantage than upper body strength would be.

There is also precedent. Rugby is segregated by gender from age 12 in most countries and in Nz they have started segregating kids by size instead of age.

I would consider myself to be very equality driven but it does feel like the promotion of transgender equality in sport is only ever going to be at the expense of the concessions and protections offered to women.

This is not going to be an issue for men because professional sport has evolved around men's strengths so a trans man is unlikely to threaten their status quo.

The interview has been shown.

He says that being a woman just came out during the course of psychotherapy, it hadn't even occurred to him before.

"“I didn’t realise until I was a lot older,” she said. “I was seeing a psychologist for different things and that’s how it sort of came out ... it’s not a decision, it’s just not."

But obviously it's transphobic to refer to the time before he transed, because he was born with a lady brain, he just didn't realise it.

www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/transgender-footballer-hannah-mouncey-speaks-out/news-story/db51ae39f1263e11c27e9c98f2ab6fa3

He ignores the elephant in the room:

“I take four pills a day,” she said. “Oestrogen and an anti-androgen. That’s pretty much it.
“I am transitioned. Some people will get cosmetic surgery, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars reshape their jaw or their voice box and have surgery and all sorts of stuff. I’m definitely not going down that path.”

They claim he has lost 30kg since taking the hormones, from 130kg to 100kg

"Since she transitioned she has lost 30 kilograms and now weighs just above 100 kilos. The effects of hormone therapy are like a second puberty, and because puberty normally takes several years for the full changes to be seen, Hannah is hoping to lose more weight."

www.9news.com.au/national/2017/11/05/22/27/transgender-woman-fighting-to-play-in-afl-women-s-league

Strange then that his 2013 weight as a male handball player was 99kg (and yes, he was the heaviest man on the team).

archive.li/s6Apt

Why are these people allowed to make so many obviously false claims about the effects of hormones ?

I mean really, implying he lost 30kg of muscle due to these emasculating lady hormones. It's just blatant lies.

Why are these people allowed to make so many obviously false claims about the effects of hormones ?

Because they’re men.

Ah yes, female hormones are renowned for just melting those pounds away.

Oh My Fucking God

I am so tired of choosing my words.

THIS ENORMOUS, DELUDED, WOMEN-HATING MAN IS NOT A WOMAN AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

The world isn't divided into people who think men can be women and people who think they can't.

No-one believes this. Not the trolls, not the MRAs, not the TRAs, not Jeremy Corbyn, not Jenner, or Maloney, or Willoughby. No one actually believes their own hype.

The world is divided into people who are prepared to push a lie that hurts women, and people who aren't.

NoMoreLies

Well said, Barracker.

I honestly don’t know what the limit is now for people’s capacity to believe and repeat obvious lies and bullshit. And to reproach others for not doing the same.

Even skinny, waifish blokes are generally much stronger than women, and this man was already an elite athlete in a different sport pre transition. He's going to hurt people.

twitter.com/HannahMouncey/status/963300748967596032

There are a lot of comments on here denouncing the decision to allow him to play against women.

So our friend was already seeing a psychologist i.e. clearly had some mental health issues, when he had his light bulb moment. Well, fancy that.

Spot on post as usual Barracker.

Gaslighting on an industrial scale. I can't understand why our politicians, the sporting bodies etc can't call this utter rubbish out for the tosh it is. Why is such a small minority being allowed to dictate to such a great degree.

No one in their right mind can honestly say Hannah Mouncey should be playing in women's sport. Hannah themselves can't be of a sound mind because it's so obviously wrong. They must really hate women with a vengeance. It's all beyond depressing.

I remember to this day the moment when the strength difference between men and women really hit me. I slipped on some stairs, a friend caught me from behind and lifted me easily off my feet. I am not a waifish woman. He weighed about 125 pounds and looked like a strong breeze could blow him away. Still strong enough to lift me with no apparent effort.

Which is why the "oh but I'm a big woman" stuff is irrelevant. If you're a 6ft plus woman who's physically fit I bet you're a lot stronger than I am, but put up against Mouncey? He'd crush you like a bug on the windshield.

The thing is that even if he's totally sincere in his delusion and his intention isn't to injure women, he still will. Intention don't change the size and strength of his body.

You know what would be the really brave and courageous thing to do?

This dude transitioning to Hannah, rocking long hair and makeup... and continuing to play in the men's team.