190cm, 100kg size 15 feet transwoman tries to join women's Aussie Rules football

[pisacake]

www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/transgender-footballer-hannah-mouncey-waits-on-aflw-draft-call/news-story/123a463e71aa3c4b9bbd634724ce8f75

Hannah Mouncey wants to join the Australian Football League (this is basically rugby) Women's division.
"Mouncey played the final three games in the ruck for Ainslie and kicked 15 goals, with Canberra officials ruling she was not a safety concern."

this despite the fact
"one [female] player broke her leg in a tangle of legs with Mouncey."

Mouncey says:
“I am female like 50 per cent of the population. I may have been born a bit different but there was a real sense of normality when I transitioned,” she said.

The average MALE AFL player is 188cm and 88kg, so Hannah is both taller and heavier, and if admitted will both the tallest and heaviest player in the entire league.

Hannah was previously on the Australian MALE Olympic handball team as Callum Mouncey.

[TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole]

6% of people think its fair/fine for transwomen to compete in womens sport. The rest say varying degrees of nope.

www.wnd.com/2017/03/switch-hitters/

Just see this when looking at a Mouncey thing on facebook

Its encouraging. From looking around it seems the site its on is considered by some to be alt-right though..but I am fairly sure that this is round about right for general public opinion when it comes to sport. Poll comes from this link, which lists a few of the different sports transwomen are cheating in

www.wnd.com/2017/03/female-athletes-crushed-by-women-who-were-once-men/

[OlennasWimple]

Good analysis there maid. Men have 30% more muscle, so it makes sense that they can be 30% stronger pound for pound

[Dominithecat]

Pm'd you maid

[furcoatnaeknickers]

I’ve pm’d you maid

[mimivanne]

DD is a 9stone ,5'6 experienced woman rugby player.Her thoughts;

'Mens physicality is different,their upper body strength and muscle mass is very different.Hitting a 6'3 male rugby player at speed hurts far more than hitting a woman of the same height,I've hit both and both do damage but women generally go down once you wrap round their legs,when a man hits a woman, she just flies off 12 feet in the air and crash lands ....no fun, mens stride is different,their hand offs much harder.

Anyone can break bones playing Rugby,I've broken someones leg but the impact from hitting a man at speed,whatever his size,relative to a female,is like being hit by a Eurostar train in comparison with a steam engine

[DailyWTFMoments]

maid that's really useful, thank you

[TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole]

This dude transitioning to Hannah, rocking long hair and makeup... and continuing to play in the men's team.

Also this.

I mean, his status is making out that he was banned from playing fullstop. No, he was always able to play on the mens team. Like the other men.

I hate this 'oh so you don't think transwomen should be able to compete' nonsense. I think they should be able to compete, just with their own bloody sex.

[TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole]

I remember to this day the moment when the strength difference between men and women really hit me. I slipped on some stairs, a friend caught me from behind and lifted me easily off my feet. I am not a waifish woman. He weighed about 125 pounds and looked like a strong breeze could blow him away. Still strong enough to lift me with no apparent effort.
Yes, I remember when it hit me too. I always assume that as a pretty big woman I would not be overpowered easily and felt a bit safer in that knowledge. I am 13 and a half stone and I do think I am pretty strong. But a male friend, who cannot weight more than about 9 stone and is a few inches smaller than me too pinned me against the wall with ease, and held me there with little effort. It was scary as fuck, and if he has that much strength, fuck knows what it would be like with an average sized man. Or larger than average, in Mounceys case.

[TerfsUp]

You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. You can put a dress on a bloke but he is still a bloke.

Mouncey has no business playing women's sports.

[TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole]

There are a lot of comments on here denouncing the decision to allow him to play against women.

Also a hell of a lot of 'you go girl' and such. Depressing.

Noone believes this guy is a woman, nor thinks its fair for him to compete against women. But people pretend they do as..they do not give a shit about women. And some seem actively thrilled that women are going to lose out due to this.

[grasspigeons]

but why don't tall people with short feet fall over? Are they wide to compensate?

[MaidOfStars]

I've just written this on my FB post, to discuss the strength differences between males and females (following a question of whether a female of Hannah's build and strength should also be banned). I thought it might be useful for some of you

Many people radically underestimate the strength gap between males and females. Let's compare within a sport that's all about strength - Olympic weightlifting. The weight categories in weightlifting are different for males and females but both contain a 69 kg (10st 12lb) category. The male and female world record holders (combined lift = total of individual snatch and clean & jerk lifts) in this category are:
Male: Liao Hui, weight 69 kg, height 1.68 m (5'6''), age 30.
Combined lift 359 kg.
Female: Oksana Slivenko, weight 69 kg, height 1.64 m (5'5''), age 31.
Combined lift 276 kg.

These are two people who are the same weight, about an inch different in height and about the same age. The male lifts 83 kg more than the female, 30% more in fact. 83 kg is 13st 1lb.

So, the 69 kg male absolutely hammers the 69 kg female for strength. Where are the females who are stronger than him? How tall and heavy are they?

The answer is, in this sport, they don't exist. Coming in at the heaviest female weight category (+90 kg):
Female: Tatiana Kashirina, weight 108 kg (17st), height 177 cm (5'10''), age 27.
Combined lift 348 kg.

That's right. The male record holder for the 69 kg category can outlift the female record holder in the top category, a woman who has a 4 inch height advantage and over 6 stone of weight on him, a woman who might reasonably be described as the strongest woman in the world.

Tatiana WOULD beat the male records in the 62 kg (333 kg) and the 52 kg (307 kg) categories. So this beast of a female has a shot against males who are over 7 stone lighter and at least six inches shorter than her. 52 kg is less than half her weight and she's only pulling an extra 13% on the male lift in this category.

The strength gap between males and females is utterly breathtaking. It's not a "gap", it's the Grand Canyon.

[Ereshkigal]

I'm 5'7 ish which isn't short for a woman and I have size 5 feet.

[OlennasWimple]

Some tall people have (relatively) small feet and vice versa, grass

The tallest person I know (6'8" only takes a size 13) whilst the person I have known with the biggest feet (size 15) was only 6'2"

[grasspigeons]

The thing I have taken from this thread is how comes a 6cm height difference equates to 5 shoe sizes.
That seems a lot

[QuentinSummers]

I read a newspaper headline today about how TeamGB skinsuits might give them an unfair advantage in the skeleton.
So wearing a suit that might improve aerodynamics is questionable, but allowing a 6'3" 16 stone former male world class athlete to compete with women is fine

[PerfPower]

If I was an opponent I would refuse to play. He has already broken a woman's leg during a game, how long until he puts someone in a wheelchair? Or worse? This is absolutely mad. Again, validating a man's feelings is more important than the safety of women.

[MaidOfStars]

I made a Facebook post yesterday about this. It’s taking off and being shared widely. I’ve been translated into at least one other language.

If anyone wishes to participate, PM me.

[BarrackerBarmer]

Intersex athletes are a challenge we can get to when we've kicked common or garden men out of women's sport.

I wouldn't dismiss this as outright - as some conditions are arguably not female from a biological pov, and AIS (XY) is overrepresented in women's elite sports at something like 1500 times the prevalence in the genpop.

But happy to shelve those discussions. It's a moot point when 6'3 feckers like Mouncey defect from men's teams to women's because he has the delusion that he is "female like 50% of the population" or whatever he said.

[OvaHere]

This is how to be accepted as trans but be fair to women

www.mmafighting.com/2018/2/14/17011776/brazilian-promotion-books-mma-fight-between-man-transgender-woman

[WhenLoveAndCakeCollide]

As I posted back in October, I am the same height as Mouncey, and mirialis, even I wouldn't want to be running into her on a sports pitch.

I'm not sure what weight she is now, but if she is still 100kg, that is significantly more than what a physically fit (biological) woman at 6ft 3 would weigh. I should know, I'm one of them. I don't even weigh close to 80kg, let alone 100kg.

[mirialis]

I started watching this statement from him and it was all about people not understanding the science... I couldn't listen any further. No science required, thanks, I have eyes and ears and they are telling me everything I need to know... and that is that I would not want to be running into you on a sports pitch!

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=65&v=oSpgohPY1uo

[SweetGrapes]

Meanwhile l, in a land far away, the debate revolves around pony tails and ice skating. (At the winter olympics)

[OlennasWimple]

This report on considerations for introducing weight categories into rugby is interesting reading. Not least because it makes the point that after puberty boys and girls develop muscle in very different ways, with girls typically having 2/3s the muscle that boys do and twice the body fat. Hence it makes no sense at all to compare men and women of a similar size and weight because, pound for pound, men are always going to be stronger

[MaidOfStars]

There is no public record of Caster Semenya's medical history, nor should there be. The only public data available shows that CS performs well when female testosterone limits are relaxed and becomes more mediocre when limits are enforced. Thus, she is gaining advantage from natural testosterone. The etiology of this phenomenon is unknown, and should remain so.

I predict we're not far off a permanent removal of testosterone limits in female sports and it will be based on the following logic:

1. Males don't have an upper limit imposed so why should females?
   

(This was the basis of Dutee Chand's successful case when she was banned from sprinting, so already agreed in principle).

1. New studies, prompted by above, have shown a 2% (approx, mashing various sporting disciplines together) competitive advantage between female athletes at the top T levels versus those at the lower end. This is far smaller than the advantage conferred by being male (around 10%) and is deemed unlikely to hinder fair competition.
   

Having no testosterone limit in female sport could be reasonable, for born women. However, I think this would be the signal for TIMs to protest against having to limit their testosterone levels because unfair.

And then female sport is fucked.