190cm, 100kg size 15 feet transwoman tries to join women's Aussie Rules football

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www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/transgender-footballer-hannah-mouncey-waits-on-aflw-draft-call/news-story/123a463e71aa3c4b9bbd634724ce8f75

Hannah Mouncey wants to join the Australian Football League (this is basically rugby) Women's division.
"Mouncey played the final three games in the ruck for Ainslie and kicked 15 goals, with Canberra officials ruling she was not a safety concern."

this despite the fact
"one [female] player broke her leg in a tangle of legs with Mouncey."

Mouncey says:
“I am female like 50 per cent of the population. I may have been born a bit different but there was a real sense of normality when I transitioned,” she said.

The average MALE AFL player is 188cm and 88kg, so Hannah is both taller and heavier, and if admitted will both the tallest and heaviest player in the entire league.

Hannah was previously on the Australian MALE Olympic handball team as Callum Mouncey.

Nobody but women should play on women’s teams, Wildfire, the clue is right there in the name. And for further clarity; when I say women I mean those people who do not happen to have a penis.
What a fucking world it is when this actually needs saying.

“I am female like 50 per cent of the population.

No. No you are not. You are a trans woman.

I am a ciswoman

You are a woman, no need for the prefix.

I agree more women should be speaking out about this, I wonder why they aren’t..

The point is that this slightly above average height/weight man (for Aussie rules players) becomes the tallest and heaviest player in the women's game, whilst still having their male-bodied advantage (height, weight, muscle mass, skeletal differences etc). Even though you're a very unusually tall woman @WiIdfire, you won't have the same skeletal structure and levers. Your feet are much smaller for example, and although you weigh a little more you're more likely to have a higher body fat percentage and therefore less musculature etc.

If it's acceptable for this person to play against women, why do we even have sex segregated teams? Maybe they should just merge the men's and women's Aussie Rules teams and be done with it?

Iamagreyhound - you haven't clarified how a transwoman who transitioned as a teen (so has a 'female' build) should have to play on a mans team purely because they were born with a penis?

I used the term ciswoman to clarify, as someone suggested I might not be, presumably due to my size.

It depends on how you define transitioned, Wildfire. A “female build” does not and will never include a penis.

Does taking puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones create a female build, or simply a less masculine male build?

Assasinated makes a very good point. What is the point of segregation by sex at all, when half of the women are actually men?
Bet I’ll be deleted for that as a thought crime. Or hate crime. Or sex crime. All getting a bit Big Brother is Watching You.

No one born male regardless of size should play on a women's team, because having gone through male puberty they will always have physiological advantages regardless of whether they then take testosterone blockers. This man's extreme size is only relevant because the obvious unfairness is so in-your-face, and the physical danger he poses to the women on the opposing team is so extreme.

In contrast, I really admire this player. To say "I am trans, but I accept that I have a physiological advantage over women, therefore I will continue to play men's football" is to my mind an admirable piece of bravery.

"Does taking puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones create a female build, or simply a less masculine male build?"

Doesn't seem to do much if you ask me.

This i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/20/article-2235781-16216D7B000005DC-949_634x538.jpg is Jackie Green, whose mother lobbies Parliament in support of her example of puberty blockers pre-pubescence and then full top & bottom surgery at 16.

Despite this Jackie does not pass. Jackie is also of average male - not female - height, 5' 11"

Ok, I'm not that dense. I get why it wouldn't be fair for one player to have a massive physical advantage. I just think it is more constructive to have a discussion about how to make it fairer without a gut reaction of 'no-one with a penis should be allowed on a girls team'.

Morningrunners post is very interesting, and makes a good point about non-physical contact sports like darts and shooting. Should these be segregated at all?

I think it is fairer to assess each case to determine if there is a physical advantage (like the person in the OP) rather than a blanket ban.

How to make it fairer? Simple. XX play with/against XX. And XY play with/against XY. Sorted.

Jesus, the notion of how to make men playing on women’s teams fairer . Make them play on the men’s. That’s fair.

Really nice morningrunner, thanks.

I don’t think transwomen should play women’s sport but the whole hand wringing because women might get hurt is ridiculous in my opinion. There is risk in any sport, it comes with sport. Is there any evidence to suggest size differences cause injury?

Rugby is an example of sport where there is a wide range of body shapes, you don’t calls for weight class rugby when a smaller person gets injured.

Miss cocker spaniel said it first and better...

I deeply resent you referring to AFL as ‘basically rugby’.

Mide, I'm curious. Are you a man or a woman? And have you ever played any contact sports competitively? 'Cos I can't imagine a woman who'd played a contact sport competitively being so completely stupid.

This is seriously taking the piss.

He was born male, went through puberty male, with the skeleton and muscle structure of a male. No one changed his XY chromosomes for XX. He is male and even if he lives to 100 he will remain male.

I absolutely refuse to call transwomen like this "she".

That even women are fawning around TAs to virtue signal their liberal credentials shows here is some weird Stockholm syndrome going on. It's like a cult where some "charismatic" figure can get crowds of seemingly normal people to believe ten impossible things before breakfast simply by announcing they are the second coming or summat.

What kind of intellectually challenged person do you have to be to fall for this twattery? I'm looking at you Maria Miller.....

Broke someone's leg! Surely he won't be allowed to play with women

Its only womens safety, doubt anyone will care.

He describes himself as "a 6"2 transgender lesbian"

Oh look, yet another male lesbian. And people still fall for this bollocks

I don’t think transwomen should play women’s sport but the whole hand wringing because women might get hurt is ridiculous in my opinion. There is risk in any sport, it comes with sport. Is there any evidence to suggest size differences cause injury?

Size differences tend to matter. Boxing and such would not have different weight divisions if that were not the case. Its not the size in this case anyway (though average blokes are larger than average females), its a male playing against females. Males tend to be stronger and faster than females, hence sex segregation in the first place. Its just crazy, that this is not only allowed, but accepted by many as fine.

And of course a larger than average female should be allowed to play. I think the height and weight were just made a point of to emphasize how unfair this whole thing in/ Like the 6ft odd transwoman playing against teen girls in basketball thats often posted on here.

Makes no sense at all to have sports segregated by sex, if exceptions are made to this. Should just have males competing against females in general (and thus, not many females in sports as males have biological advantage).

I agree more women should be speaking out about this, I wonder why they aren’t..

They would just be branded transphobic/TERF. Whats the point? So sad.

Iamagreyhound - you haven't clarified how a transwoman who transitioned as a teen (so has a 'female' build) should have to play on a mans team purely because they were born with a penis?

In that case, they should just..not play sport. Yet that sounds harsh, but competitive sport IS harsh. People cannot compete for a variety of reasons. Deciding to 'transition' (whatever that means, seems to vary from having SRS and hormones, and curling eyelashes one day) is a personal choice, and just as some decide to take that choice, does not mean the rest of the females in that sport should be disadvantaged.

Transmen competing against blokes are not a problem, as females do not have the biological advantage over males as males do over females. Also I have never seen any stories about transmen forcing their ways into mens sports anyway.

Yes of course size difference can cause injury in rugby. Rugby is a dangerous sport and there have been many initiatives to try and make the risk of serious injury less. Boys and girls don't play rugby together from, I think, aged 11. There's a reason for that. It's crazy to suggest that because rugby carries a risk of injury that means you should take extra risks, because it's already dangerous.

Smaller men would be dissuaded from playing rugby, look at Shane Williams - he was dissuaded from playing rugby for a fair while, and he's 5ft 7 which is above average height for women.

He describes himself as a 6"2 transgender lesbian

Or, to put it another way, a straight man