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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sarah Phillimore and Robin Moira White interviewed by Andrew Doyle

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DerekFaker · 22/01/2023 22:40

About the Scottish gender recognition bill

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Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 12:07

Ofcourseshecan · 28/01/2023 11:59

Anyone who was a politically aware adult in 2004, do you remember the GRA being passed? Was there any public debate?

I wasn’t aware of any debate. And that amazes me now, because I was very politically active at the time and an ardent feminist since the 1970s. The invasion of Iraq was the main political issue of the time (to me and many others). I’m pretty sure I didn’t even hear of the GRA, because I think I would have been concerned if I had.

I feel ashamed reading @Mrshoho ‘s comment. She was a busy new mum at the time, but still managed to notice what was happening around her! Long-overdue kudos to her FIL for not having the soft fluffy wool pulled over his eyes.

I was working long, long hours. Away for weeks at a time in hotel rooms (just because a hotel has the word Quality in the title don't assume it means good quality).

I remember it being in the news a bit, but I don't remember it being in the papers much.

I certainly don't remember Labour taking the trouble to ensure all women knew exactly what was going to happen by this simple little bit of paperwork updating to make 5000 men happy.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 12:27

Just read an amanda platell article in the Mail.

She's using HE for Isla/Adam

Just like the Times did

Soon, ladies

soon

cackles in best shrill mad and hysterical Terven Witch tones!

SOON!!!!!

ScrollingLeaves · 28/01/2023 12:31

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EndlessTea · 28/01/2023 12:35

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 12:07

I was working long, long hours. Away for weeks at a time in hotel rooms (just because a hotel has the word Quality in the title don't assume it means good quality).

I remember it being in the news a bit, but I don't remember it being in the papers much.

I certainly don't remember Labour taking the trouble to ensure all women knew exactly what was going to happen by this simple little bit of paperwork updating to make 5000 men happy.

I remember hearing in the news that people could get the sex on their birth certificates changed - and thinking wtf? Wha? It was presented positively, but I remember feeling really uneasy about people being able to change their most important identity document. No one really talked about it. Just a few raised eyebrows and quiet frowns iirc.

Since these people cannot help but boast. Christine Burns later crowed about getting the privacy clause in, being the first to get a GRA and how Press for Change’s sneakiness meant that there ‘wasn’t much fuss in the press’

Stephen Whittle boasted about how they sneaked it through, getting the vote tabled late on the agenda when there would be fewer MPs around.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 12:43

ScrollingLeaves · 28/01/2023 12:31

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Did your spell go wrong? Crack in the cauldron? Accidentally throw in a toad identifying as a newt? I can only see two crossed boxes....unless your auditioning fur the role of Malvolio then it makes prefect sense.

ScrollingLeaves · 28/01/2023 12:50

Boiledbeetle · Today 12:43

^ScrollingLeaves* · Today 12:31
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Did your spell go wrong? Crack in the cauldron? Accidentally throw in a toad identifying as a newt? I can only see two crossed boxes....unless your auditioning fur the role of Malvolio then it makes prefect sense

I was auditioning to be a witch in Macbeth and showed the first two words of my speech.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 13:10

ScrollingLeaves · 28/01/2023 12:50

Boiledbeetle · Today 12:43

^ScrollingLeaves* · Today 12:31
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Did your spell go wrong? Crack in the cauldron? Accidentally throw in a toad identifying as a newt? I can only see two crossed boxes....unless your auditioning fur the role of Malvolio then it makes prefect sense

I was auditioning to be a witch in Macbeth and showed the first two words of my speech.

Well you're hired! I've recently had dental work it's like breaking in new shoes. I can't talk properly.

Rightsraptor · 28/01/2023 17:19

GB News covering the 'Isla Bryson' story now. With Sarah, I presume.

IcakethereforeIam · 28/01/2023 18:42

I've been waiting in my dressing room (the flowers were lovely btw). Got bored, so decided to go looking for Keanu John. @Boiledbeetle , what did you do him? Talk about a limp wick!

I've had to tuck him up in bed with some warm milk, dim lighting and ambient noise. He's sound asleep now, muttering about marshmallows!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 18:58

IcakethereforeIam · 28/01/2023 18:42

I've been waiting in my dressing room (the flowers were lovely btw). Got bored, so decided to go looking for Keanu John. @Boiledbeetle , what did you do him? Talk about a limp wick!

I've had to tuck him up in bed with some warm milk, dim lighting and ambient noise. He's sound asleep now, muttering about marshmallows!

He thought I was joking when I asked if he wanting to see my rack!

Then of course the crank shaft broke and the RAC (Rack Accessability Cat) took forever because he was asleep on Robin's lap.

By the time he arrived poor wick, looked like limp spaghetti!

I had to perform the marshmallow spell to get him back to normal, but of course there is that five minutes where you really feel like you are a marshmallow.

Don't feed him sweet things. He'll be good for a go by 9pm.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 19:01

Rightsraptor · 28/01/2023 17:19

GB News covering the 'Isla Bryson' story now. With Sarah, I presume.

Bugger just seen this. Was she on?

MorvenOfMalvern · 28/01/2023 19:11

Do share a link if you have one (how does one watch GB News if one isn't to rely on the wonderful witches of FWR for all their terven news clips gifted to them on a plate?)

(Now, as my name is Morven, and I don't want to pull rank, but I actually identify as a Scottish witch. I've changed my name to better suit my identity and the least you can do is give me a part? I mean I know there's only 3 and they're already taken but I do need you to accept without exception...and affirm my Scottish witch ID)

Rightsraptor · 28/01/2023 19:46

Yes Sarah was on, as was Robin M White.

Oh no! Don't ask me for links! Eek - technology. <trembles>

I want to write more about some of Robin's comments but need my lap top, so will return.

Sarah was very good as ever. And called Adam Graham and 'Tiffany Scott' by male names and pronouns. Robin distanced robinself from Adam Graham by saying 'they'. Looks like Adam has been expelled from the club.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 19:56

A Terven of witches and not one can rustle up a decent find the video spell.

We've been waiting for an updated edition of the Spells since 1876.

This is insufferable!!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:02

MorvenOfMalvern · 28/01/2023 19:11

Do share a link if you have one (how does one watch GB News if one isn't to rely on the wonderful witches of FWR for all their terven news clips gifted to them on a plate?)

(Now, as my name is Morven, and I don't want to pull rank, but I actually identify as a Scottish witch. I've changed my name to better suit my identity and the least you can do is give me a part? I mean I know there's only 3 and they're already taken but I do need you to accept without exception...and affirm my Scottish witch ID)

Ha! But I am Scottish! We'll have none of that 'identifying' as lark here!

However I have foresaken my Scottish roots until sanity prevails!

Look, I shouldn't and all that, but I'm sure we could...looks around furtively....come to some agreement? A couple of suckling pigs, a vintage eye of newt? And if you could get your hands on some crumbled bat testicles....I might.....oh ....company....ssh...will continue later.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:07

m.youtube.com/watch?v=SxGBe8In7X8

Hopefully this works. The bit we want is 1he and 20 mins in.

I think.

I'm just off to watch.

Hopefully.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:07

Accidental he slipped in. Hr!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:11

Just started watching.

What the fuck happened to

ACCEPTANCE without EXCEPTION

back peddling already.

Oh by the way it's Robin is up first!

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 20:14

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:07

Accidental he slipped in. Hr!

Freudian slip!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:18

Just pausing to scream.

aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The she Robin is describing was a man not a lady. whilst sad that four transwomen were so unhappy they comitted suicide whilst housed in the male estate a. That's not the problem of the women in the female estate! And b. four men committed suicide in the male estate. Therefore c. See a. And d. What's that got to do with the price of fish Robin?

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:19

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 20:14

Freudian slip!

He he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he😁

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:21

Important pause

SARAH YOU FUCKING ROCK

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:26

Sarah straight to the point. Set out the issue.

She finishes talking.

She's followed by

weasly words weasly words blah blah blah.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:28

It's hard to sound like you're on the winning side when you've got no solid argument and a transwoman rapist has just fucked up the whole gig.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 20:30

And to segway into leaving abused children with abusive parents? WTF, so we trust social services so should trust prisons? Is that were Robin is going?

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