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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sarah Phillimore and Robin Moira White interviewed by Andrew Doyle

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DerekFaker · 22/01/2023 22:40

About the Scottish gender recognition bill

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beastlyslumber · 28/01/2023 09:27

Brilliant @Boiledbeetle! There's all sorts in that cauldron of yours.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 09:32

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 09:23

I would have loved to have a part in the play but I've been using my cauldron for it's other use so I'm a bit slurred and unsteady on my feet.

I'm only on the beginning of scene 1. Trying to plagiarize Willy S takes a good bit of cut and pasting and deleting.

If nothing else you'll be stand in cauldron No. 2......unless, and I know it's a big ask, but Robin's part is actually Macbeth, which as you know Macbeth was a man. . And we all know Robin will not be particularly happy being seen on stage and have the audience think Robin is a ...well people will think Robin is the same sex as the character that R would be portraying. So there is a high chance of a theatrical flounce on the first night. Robin also seems to have a bit of an issue with witches as well. So I can see there being tears before bed for some posters.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 09:41

EdithStourton · 28/01/2023 09:20

Happy to be an understudy.
(User advisory: I cannot act)

I doubt any of us can, but some posters give it a decentish go most days, not that all of them are particularly convincing in the role they play. Some just don't get inside the characters head probably to work out what their characters motivation might be. They also do a really bad job as convincingly playing the character they portray as well.

I mean the last play @DialSquare played (it was the mumsnet panto) the giant. She's 4 foot 9 in real life.

seriously the 6 women, including @beastlyslumber , who's an actual giant at 8 foot 7, watching were not impressed. And as much as I love Dial, she is not a good character actor. She hadn't studied the role she was playing due to actual real life getting in the way, and so was entirely unconvincing..

She's not the only posterb on this thread whose acting skills are woefully lacking.

So you'll fit right in.

EdithStourton · 28/01/2023 09:44

@Boiledbeetle
So you'll fit right in.
In real life I am a grumpy hag, so I'm off to a good start as a witch...

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 09:44

How dare you missheight me Boiled! I'm 4 foot 9 and 3 quarters actually.

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 09:45

I wonder if RMW is still reading?

IcakethereforeIam · 28/01/2023 10:10

Okay, the line where I say 'demand', I mean it's not really....I can't see my character saying that. How about

'Say "please"!'?

Robin's character could be changed to 'Miss Beth', or just 'Beth'.

SinnerBoy · 28/01/2023 10:16

DialSquare · Yesterday 15:35

I like a multi use cauldron.

Ooh, hark at Flash Harriet! I bet you've got a personalised number plate, too!

😁

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 10:31

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 09:45

I wonder if RMW is still reading?

Im not sure Dial. What would you do if it was you? Lets imagine….

Wobbly screen effects resembling circa 1978 Dr Who

Should witches be allowed Cats that are tabbies?

Imagine you’d just been on Bad Evening Witches and had a debate with Helleofabore over should witches be allowed cats that are tabbies. You fundamentally disagreed with each other about the subject

And, nothing personal, imagine your point of view was entirely centred around how it affected you and your cat, as your cat was a beautiful tabby, but with not a single solitary piece of black fur on her. You know your cat makes no sense. You are a witch. A witch must have a black cat. One without the other and you are not a witch.. You are merely an itch!

Since getting her, not have only your spells gone awry, but the cat, as cute as she is, is also affecting all the other witches around you. Their spells are not quite hitting the mark. They are constantly finding your cat is ruining their lives, invading on their thoughts, ruining their work and, as cats will, invading their bloody safe witchy black cat only spaces.

Now Helleofabore was of the opinion that any decisions made on cat owning should be decided by the majority of witches and not the annoying itch with the wrong cat.

So after the debate you discover there is a thread on Witchnet on the Cats and Curses board. Helleofabore has been on and commented on some of the posters comments, who are it turns out 100% of the same opinion as Helleofabore (trust me it’s always the correct choice if you agree with her).

So… You know you have the superiority and are correct in your thinking over the rest of your Terven. And so you go on and say your piece. It’s an intelligent, non-rambling, post. You inform the witches of the fact that you would never do anything to hurt the other witches (despite the fact you can see that 87 of them are currently suffering with a really bad case of nonblackcatitis and are having conniptions).

The other witches then remind you of Bubbles, who you tried to once sneak in as a cat when we could all see perfectly well it was a chimpanzee. you tried to gaslight us for minutes.

You then flounce, and on your way out accuse us all of being Elves.

Would you never go back to the thread?

Or would you go and check to see if the other witches had taken your kind words on board and changed their mind about witches having Tabbies?

And get slowly worked up over each and every poster pointing out the error of your ways?

I reckon Robin hasn't been back personally!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 10:34

IcakethereforeIam · 28/01/2023 10:10

Okay, the line where I say 'demand', I mean it's not really....I can't see my character saying that. How about

'Say "please"!'?

Robin's character could be changed to 'Miss Beth', or just 'Beth'.

😍

Anything for you cake after that last line in your post. Anything you ever demand of me is yours, just say please and it's yours.

IcakethereforeIam · 28/01/2023 10:40

Right, I want my own dressing room. I want to be all three witches and uterus-haver MacBeth. I want to beat MacDuff. Divorce MacBeth and run off with Romeo. No, on second thoughts, Mercutio. Romeo's a wuss.

I'll be in my dressing room.

Speak to my agent.

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 10:43

SinnerBoy · 28/01/2023 10:16

DialSquare · Yesterday 15:35

I like a multi use cauldron.

Ooh, hark at Flash Harriet! I bet you've got a personalised number plate, too!

😁

I'm not that flash!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 10:44

IcakethereforeIam · 28/01/2023 10:40

Right, I want my own dressing room. I want to be all three witches and uterus-haver MacBeth. I want to beat MacDuff. Divorce MacBeth and run off with Romeo. No, on second thoughts, Mercutio. Romeo's a wuss.

I'll be in my dressing room.

Speak to my agent.

Only if I get to have Malvolio in it with his cross gartering..wanders off pondering on which poster will play that part.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 10:47

SinnerBoy · 28/01/2023 10:16

DialSquare · Yesterday 15:35

I like a multi use cauldron.

Ooh, hark at Flash Harriet! I bet you've got a personalised number plate, too!

😁

No but her wizard on the side did get her a new broomstick for Christmas with her initials on it. She does a special nose wiggle and they disappear. I noticed it the other day as she checked it into the broom cupboard.

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 11:00

I see what you're saying Boiled but I suspect that Robin is still reading. Possibly through Robin's fingers and behind the settee though.

IcakethereforeIam · 28/01/2023 11:03

New broomstick? Does it have a knob on the end?

I want to go all John fuckin' Wick on Brutus and the rest of 'em. Then have a passionate liaison with Mark Anthony.....and John Wick.

Have those flowers delivered to my dressing room.

beastlyslumber · 28/01/2023 11:04

I'd like to play Nicola Sturgeon as Lady Macbeth, frantically washing my hands but somehow never being able to wash off the stains of what I've done.

P.S. I identify as being literally eight foot tall biologically.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 11:08

DialSquare · 28/01/2023 11:00

I see what you're saying Boiled but I suspect that Robin is still reading. Possibly through Robin's fingers and behind the settee though.

Well....I didn't like to say!

Very 1970s Dr Who connection. Clever!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 11:14

IcakethereforeIam · 28/01/2023 11:03

New broomstick? Does it have a knob on the end?

I want to go all John fuckin' Wick on Brutus and the rest of 'em. Then have a passionate liaison with Mark Anthony.....and John Wick.

Have those flowers delivered to my dressing room.

YOUR dressing room certainly.

The knob costs an extra £3K, and to be honest I don't think it's worth it. As to be honest the broomstick works perfectly well without a knob on it. Has done for centuries of us witches.

If its not broke don't fix it.

Witches and broomstick and black cats. Perfect as they are. and very picky on the members of our Tervens

Erm...John Wick is otherwise engaged right now. I'll send him along the corridor when I'm done!

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 11:17

beastlyslumber · 28/01/2023 11:04

I'd like to play Nicola Sturgeon as Lady Macbeth, frantically washing my hands but somehow never being able to wash off the stains of what I've done.

P.S. I identify as being literally eight foot tall biologically.

I'm so sorry for mis heighting you and Dial. I just thought it would be OK me stealing your names and heights and completely misrepresenting what they were.

Like the Sturgeon idea.

We are going to have to do a month of shows. With a different Macbeth each night!

FlirtsWithRhinos · 28/01/2023 11:32

We are going to have to do a month of shows. With a different Macbeth each night!

Of course. Macbeth is a spectrum. There are many ways to be Macbeth. The traditional idea of an ambitious lordling who murders his king is true for some, but it's equally valid for Macbeth to work in B&Q in Hull. All Macbeths must be validated and accepted.

The other parts have to stay exactly as they are though obviously. How can a Macbeth truly express their inner truth if everyone else is messing around changing things?

NotBadConsidering · 28/01/2023 11:50

Of course Robin is still reading, because Robin only cares about Robin’s feelings. But Robin is in a bind because Robin knows that if Robin reengages with the thread then Robin will have to answer as to why Robin felt the need to imply everyone here is a witch. As we all know, Robin doesn’t like to answer direct questions, as evident by all of Robin’s previous appearances on threads.

It must be doing Robin’s head in🤣.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 11:52

NotBadConsidering · 28/01/2023 11:50

Of course Robin is still reading, because Robin only cares about Robin’s feelings. But Robin is in a bind because Robin knows that if Robin reengages with the thread then Robin will have to answer as to why Robin felt the need to imply everyone here is a witch. As we all know, Robin doesn’t like to answer direct questions, as evident by all of Robin’s previous appearances on threads.

It must be doing Robin’s head in🤣.

And we've still got another 500+ posts to enjoy it!

Ofcourseshecan · 28/01/2023 11:59

Anyone who was a politically aware adult in 2004, do you remember the GRA being passed? Was there any public debate?

I wasn’t aware of any debate. And that amazes me now, because I was very politically active at the time and an ardent feminist since the 1970s. The invasion of Iraq was the main political issue of the time (to me and many others). I’m pretty sure I didn’t even hear of the GRA, because I think I would have been concerned if I had.

I feel ashamed reading @Mrshoho ‘s comment. She was a busy new mum at the time, but still managed to notice what was happening around her! Long-overdue kudos to her FIL for not having the soft fluffy wool pulled over his eyes.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2023 12:00

FlirtsWithRhinos · 28/01/2023 11:32

We are going to have to do a month of shows. With a different Macbeth each night!

Of course. Macbeth is a spectrum. There are many ways to be Macbeth. The traditional idea of an ambitious lordling who murders his king is true for some, but it's equally valid for Macbeth to work in B&Q in Hull. All Macbeths must be validated and accepted.

The other parts have to stay exactly as they are though obviously. How can a Macbeth truly express their inner truth if everyone else is messing around changing things?

You make a good point

Maybe the director and producer, any volenteers? could ensure that going forward just the leading man characters can be fluid in their interpretation and presentation. Be led by what the actor sees the role as.

Slightly different Shakespeare play, but once you've read one you've read them all!

Having watched Roland Gift once play Romeo on stage in Hull, he'd have been better off working in B and Q. I'd have been better off wandering around B and Q for two hours and spending my ticket money on planks of wood!