Yes transgender women I am fucked off

[Mouthyton]

Queue for the women’s loo at a big Brighton event.

As per usual, women’s loo is rammed, huge queue.

No queue for the men’s.

Waiting to change a leaking tampon.

And, amongst others, there are 4 people ahead of me, clearly biologically male, presenting as female.

And later on, at the same event, unable to send my 10 year old to the loo alone because there are transwomen using the loos and I do not send my child into spaces to get undressed where there are biological men also getting undressed.

I have zero problems with them wanting to present as female. I do have a problem with them taking up female space.

I can’t challenge this, as a woman with a child as I put myself in a vulnerable position. Yet again made to feel vulnerable by the needs of a man.

And society tells me to put up and shut up.

Sigh.

100% agree

Listening to Americast last night where Hasan Piker (I know 🙄) said such a tiny number of people are trans that it wasn’t even worth talking about. Absolutely no recognition that the tiny number of TIM’s could affect the lives of a huge number of women and children. Eg TIM changing in an open swimming pool women’s changing room obviously affects anyone in there at the time - but also:

some of those women choose not to go swimming anymore at all

more women who weren’t there, but hear about it, no longer go swimming

lots of girls are no longer allowed to go to the pool without adult supervision

families of women who choose not to swim are also less likely to go

So many people affected by the selfish actions of one (or in this case 4) individual/s. Thankyou OP for highlighting

So sorry you and your DD went through this Mouthy. And of course if the service provider is encouraging this or turning a blind eye to it they are breaking the law but are we going to have to get some poor women to sue each and every time?

Which event was this?

You are absolutely right but I’m not remotely surprised to hear this was Brighton.

Not at all surprised it’s Brighton…. Soon the thread will sound the klaxon and will be full of
“why are you obsessed with their genitals”
”why is your child looking at this vulnerable person?! Have you taught them no manners or to be kind?!”
”THEY JUST WANT TO PEEEEEEE!”

actual female needs are apparently discouraged, but remember to cheer and champion the brave and stunning!!

Does it matter?

There's such a simple solution as well. Just use the men's toilets. I actually had this happen the opposite way when I was queuing at a service station down south on our way to our holidays. As usual, there was a massive queue for the women's toilets and a smaller, faster moving queue for the men's. And there was a young male queuing for the men's who was wearing a dress and heels with eyeliner on. Not one of the men in front of him or behind him even looked up or batted an eye (he was quite tall and muscular so it was obvious he was male), so debunking the "it's too dangerous to go to the men's" myth. I actually caught his eye and smiled and he smiled back.

And I thought inside my head "thank you" - there was a male who was 'presenting' as a woman but understood that for intimate spaces like bathrooms, he should still use the men's and was doing so without a fuss. Shame not all of them do this.

Sh, Hasan who has such healthy views on October 7th.

And with the knowledge that they might end up in a male prison.

I also experienced this, in Brighton. Massive queue for the women’s loos, only one loo. Desperate for a wee with my daughter too, and after a long wait out comes a man in a dress, clearly having taken a massive dump in there! I was honestly furious.

If someone has the runs in a swimming pool it is a tiny % of the entire volume yet the entire pool will be drained.

It's gross isn't it at home my husband asks if I need to go before he has a poo lights a candle and cleans it after he would never ever ever poo in a female only space he'd find it mortifying these men are clearly getting a kick out of it.

'Poor little marginalised us, we are barely 1%' doesn't work the way they think it does - a reasonable reaction would be

'What? only 1% of the population is trans? Really? Just 1%??
Then why is my local authority/entertainment venue/museum/park/shopping centre spending millions getting rid of perfectly adequate women's/men's/accessible toilets and changing them to something inferior, just because one of the 1% of 70 million people in the population may need a pee, and may refuse to use the perfectly adequate toilets designated for their sex?'

Not to mention the full range of TRA campaigning, from compelled speech in the workplace to bottles of piss to death and rape threats.. all that by that 'marginalised' 1% of the population who already have the same rights as everyone else?

Yes, trans IDing men, like the OP I am fucked off, but for a whole variety of reasons, not just refusing to respect women's spaces..

This is exactly what happened when a tw started using the changing rooms at a sports club near us. The girls just stopped using the facilities when he was there.

Why would I have asked if I didn’t think it mattered?

And the self exclusions are impossible to count. So we can never know how many women are affected by one man. Even though one is too many.

The organisers of the event are at fault if they are letting men use a facility as advertised for women. I would write and complaint

Unfortunately I don't believe legal consequences would stop them.

I was in a queue for the women’s toilets in a busy shopping centre last year and a bloke in a dress was told by an older lady to go and use the men’s toilets because ‘
“dressing like a women doesn’t make you one!”
He went very red but he did as he was asked.

But, but, but, no-one can tell, they always pass, they've been doing it forever and no-one has complained ever.

Brave lady his reaction could have been extreme.

"It's MA'AM! It is MA'AM!"

That poor delicate flower in that shop, clearly vulnerable from all the non believers