Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #66

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.
The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings.

There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

Thread 65: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583663-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-65 29 September 2026 to 30 September 2026

My room has nobody waiting: it was also one where we had sound at the beginning of today's proceedings.

I wonder if there's an issue with one room today.

From Nick Wallis

NC-Finally the 57 pages from the R's online shop showing merch of sorts - mostly generic - some pay campaigning some historic - and the only items on that online shop which promotes a specific belief system was that festooned with the PP flag promoting GI.

On that subject there is not merely merch in the shop - it's notable its the only belief system it promotes - one belief system out of all the world's belief systems - no xtian merch no evidence based medicine merch no muslim merch no atheist merch - there's not even disability awareness merch

complete evidence of anything remotely comparable to GI and that shows the profound grip GI has on the RCN. Although the R says it doesn't take a position on GI - if that were true you would expect merch promoting GC merch to be as welcome on the RCN shop as GI merch and when i...

When "trans rights" clash with women's rights, yes, expressing your support for them as an employer is discriminating against women.

This is literally the same as it would be if an employer pup posters saying "we love cigarettes ! Tobacco is good! " when someone deliberately smokes in an office and non smokers don't dare to complain.

from Nick wallis

NC
....put it to PM the shop might like to sell or like the PP badges give away some green white and purple enamel badge with the RCN logo - PM looked at me in complete bafflement and was wholly unable to agree that was possible and said she didn't have the expertise to agree to that

From TT:

Merchandise available on shop promoting a specific belief system are promotion of GI.

Pls recall PM unwillingness to agree .. there is not only GI merch but only of all belief systems more adherents no christian merch, muslim, evidence based medicine, atheist, disability even. Which might also be interest to nurses

Telling of grip this one ideology has on RCN. This despite NP, PM assertion it had not taken a position.

I suggested to PM GC might be available? Purple white and green RCN? PM looked at me in bafflement and unable to agree. Someone so senior had no expertise and needed to consult. This would be equal treatment?

from Nick
NC
It's not diff, but for whatever reason it was impossible for her to say yes it would be fine to sell GC badges - it shows the depth of the grip GI has on the RCN. PM was also apparently baffled by the SR response to pronouns in email sigs they should write "pronouns biological"

Today I finally got round to chucking Nick Wallis a few quid monthly, rather a one-off payment, which I've been meaning to get around to for a while. His blog on this really is excellent. Thanks, Nick!

from Nick
NC
or "pronouns sex-based" that was something which seemed to horrify her and she could not approve of in a public hearing. There is a striking absence across the RCN of anything promoting the GC view. No celebration of SCj even tho we can reasonably infer a majority of

From TT:

Some reason PM unable to say ok for badge to be sold advertising GC belief. She also could not feel able to approve of expression in a public hearing of GC pronoun signatures in emails.

Promoting contrary view, no possibly celebratory framing of FWS judgement would not be possible even though from poll data we can infer maj or RCN members would be in favour.

sorry about the crossings out, as I'm sure you realise it's just that what tt type turns out to mean that in MN formatting abbreviations. I'll try to catch it but will doubtless fail!

I'll respect the request and leave this for a later time.

Acknowledged and appreciated

from Nick
NC
RCNs members were pleased to see that result. There is nothing comparable to the Vital Voices event on p1025. If they had been celebrating the GC position in the way they've been promoting and celebrating GI you'd expect them to put that in the bundle.

There isa "resounding silence" there is RCN delegation to northern Pride, but no similar delegation to a women's place event or anything of that kind. There are no warning notes of over-enthusiastic affirmation of fixing a child in a cross sex ID the well recognised dangers of puberty blockers - they stop puberty - they stop children growing up naturally.

There is nothing warning of the harms of gender-affirming surgery. The RCN would put it forward if it existed. But it can't exist - it would never publish a blog post about the harms of gender surgery because it had adopted GI.

That's of course not all the evidence there is that R has adopted GI there are all the documentary points I'd urge you to recall LM's story of effectively being hounded out of the RCN in response to writing a sober respected article about GI's

None of us are in a position to whinge!

@fanOfBen Don't worry- the formatting is really tricky and there are some issues with TT today on x - have been trying to follow them too! You are doing a fab job!

From TT:

If the R had been celebrating GC/SR position in way they promote GI you'd expect them to make us aware. No delegation from RCN to WRN or LWS event.

Nothing about danger of over enthusiastic affirmation, esp for children,dangers of gender medications. No warnings of dangers from R but if it existed they would have showed us. No post from a nurse with experience of treating

surgical patients on RCN publications/website of horrors of these procedures.

Recall also Lisa MacKenzie's testimony and hounding out for considered and scholarly (subsequently vindicated) writings. Implication that her values not aligned with RCNs combined with failure to identify what specifically she said that was not in line.

from Nick Wallis
NC
...issues - all of which were vindicated. She was told to reflect on her values - the last straw - a clear suggestion hers did not align with the RCNs along with the clear failure to tell her how she had transgressed.

This was happening at the same time RCN council member Dave Dawes disgusting misogynistic social media footprint. Also JW and PF's experience of being smeared as bigots and compared to racists in the SC discussion session.

from Nick.
NC
Note PM's admission the manner in which those events had been handled was unacceptable and the further evidence accepted by PM relates to the secret engagement session - R's decision that having held the mournful SC sessions where they sought to comfort those distressed by j they decided they ought to listen to their GC members, but they didn't publicise the session - they didn't email their members saying we got the first sessions wrong why don't our GC members come to a session - instead they held it in secret and only two members turned up

She's going for the full gamut of "this is the problem with doing..." issues.

I realise I'm going back a bit, but I really like that Naomi got in that GC/SR only sprang up as a response to GI and that it only describes what everyone knew to be true until a really short time ago.

Break for 10 mins

From TT:

Contrast to treatment of council member accused of misogyny in Carr.

See also PF/JW treatment after engagement session, smearing and racist accusations levelled with collusion of organisers.

PM also accepted that secret sessions, R decision to hold mournful sessions to listen to members' distress. Didn't attempt to balance that session, to seek GC voices in sessions openly, but only secret session which only two members attended.

Good, I hope the fuckers let me in!

😍 So good 😍 so far from Naomi!

from Nick wallis
NC
it's an extraordinary way to behave to sympathise with one group of members (Ms) very publcly and then to hide i a corner and talk to the others even tho they rep the majority thinking. They did the very least they could do. It's wholly comprehensible when you see they are in the grip of GI

The RCN simply cannot do ANYTHING publicly to act or say anything in support of the GI positions.

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