Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

Interesting question.

NC because they know of the vicious silencing. Of course they’re not coming forward. They’re frightened. Eg a nurse knows how hostile the environment can be. She doesn’t know what her own union rep thinks. She knows what’s happened to SP. She goes to her rep, she reasonably is going to fear her rep will regard her as a bigot.
SF I hope not.
NC she doesn’t know. Why would she feel safe?

'NC you’d have to be living under a stone for the last few years that women who disagree have been threatened with rape and death. Has that passed you by?'

There a few HR blokes at NHS Fife and Leonardos that I’d like to introduce you to.

The RCN are literally flag waving supporters.

They have a permanent progress flag flying every day of the year. I think that alone would give us clue as to who they support.

Oh yes. He's leaking all the signs of being steeped in the ideology one way or another.

Sorry, lost the GIF

Am I remembering SF's first meeting report correctly? - SP had to discuss menstrual flooding with this guy?

ETA, found the quote

“called to member to discuss situation, member described that new doctor has started and they are a trans female and this has made members of staff uncomfortable as they are using the female changing area, member had discussed her discomfort with this, with her Line manager however nothing was done, member was in a level of discomfort due to bleeding and the DR was in the changing room, the member advised the DR that she did not think that she should be in there and said something along the lines of this is the same as when they put a man in a female prison, discussed with the member of the potential that this could be seen as discriminatory and is most likely what has caused the suspension. Discussed with member process of investigation and potential outcomes, et cetera advised will open case

NC is asking her last question.

SF I still have to represent those individuals regardless of their views. Even sex offence accusations I’ve dealt with
NC she’s assuming her rep is going to regard her as a bigot even though he’ll do an honest job. Is there anything RCN has done publicly to show their members - if they go to website, trans inclusive, merchandise for pride, they’d quite reasonably come to the conclusion no support.
SF not sure

That sounds very solemn.
All stand and uncover.

NC done.

DH back up.

🤐

Oh dear, Stuart, the comparison you immediately go to is to compare a woman coming to her rep re her sex-based rights at work to that rep representing someone who has committed sexual assault.

NC isn’t it therefore your job to go and seek out members to reassure
SF (missed)
NC picking up a point from earlier. MG email allegations about DU conduct in two previous workplaces. You saw this.
SF I believe so yes
DH just briefly Judge. How good is your recollection today of what you gleaned from what you were copied into?
SF not great I would say.

That was striking. I did think NC might capitalise on it but maybe she thought it could be better used as something to refer to in closing.

The both sides caveat really annoys me. Where is the evidence? I have seen nothing, not even mild stuff let alone the extreme abuse from TRA's be replicated on the GC side.

Please someone point me to it.

DH done.

No qs from judge.

DH you were asked about gleaning views of RCN membership about facilities. You referenced APF ?
SF Area Partnership Forum. Staffside
DH local forum?
SF local workplaces.
DH and there’s a wider health board?
SF yes.

All of this just makes you realised how bad unions are at fighting for workplace rights and how easy it is for them to back out of supporting you at all.

Miss Tate up next.

and a Miss Marquis? to follow.

And, particularly, when there's something of benefit to the union, that they'll be willing to sabotage cases of members.

who are those witnesses? ah I see miss tait, not miss tate

Break now for 10 mins