Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

PM to find balance between people who have different views and some with no particular views is challenging.

... so I usually go with the ones that shout he loudest and ignore the law

Is there an MN cookbook?

Asking for a friend.

😂

Ooh ...

I may change my user name to 'womanwithnoparticularviews'

From TT:

DH Approach Once for Scotland. That applies to Scotland. What about England, approach to workplace policies
PM No Once for England approach. No agreement for one policy across England.
PM Each individual NHS trust and employer devises own policy. May not follow national guidance

DH Done at local level
PM Yes
DH [to docs] Re legal support of RCN to members and how may interact with member engaging own legal advice. Have you had experience of this.
PM Many times
PM We would normally withdraw from rep if they chose to stay with independent legal advice

If there isn't there should be...

Is editing recipes easier or harder than poems?

inclusion!

Drink!😂

PM Many times
PM We would normally withdraw from rep if they chose to stay with independent legal advice

What if they didn't want to stay with the independent legal advice? This was not what NP said...

I agree that Bethany Hutchinson is a fine looking woman, who carries herself with strength and confidence.
Rather like Sophie Cunningham.

DH finished.

Buckle up

The problem would be testing them all to make sure they worked.
I would be eager to make a few cakes and report back martyr myself and test half a dozen.

Maybe an FWR cookbook to assist with gardening?

Once for Scotland sounds like some sort of death notification process that saves multiple phone calls and lots of copies of the death certificate.

DH done

From TT:

of if they had gone a long way down the road with that advice. Not pick up case. Individual case by case assessment but in that case we would withdraw.
DH To Freda Wallace docs and the photographs. Looks like interior of building. exterior has RCN flags. Do you recognise

exterior?
PM RCN HQ in London
DH What was event
PM Event for any member to attend, on inclusion but specially c what areas they would want us to focus on in setting up member networks.
DH Formal training for members
PM no
DH Does RCN produce formal training fir member s

FFS move your mic NC

NC now

Will probably break around 11.30

I do wish someone would define/explain 'gender critical' for these people; including some of the barristers. It often isn't what they think it is.

NC's mic is directed away from her.

I want to reach through the screen and turn it towards her.

PM Event for any member to attend, on inclusion but specially c what areas they would want us to focus on in setting up member networks.

So the event was limited to RCN membership - does this mean that it was tacitly approved and the were not just renting space in the building?

NC slowly setting the trap...

From TT:

PM Yes. This was facilitated. Here this was a workshop. People may have spoken but were not invited speakers.
DH No further qs.
J We may break c 11.30.
NC DH established you a ver senior reporting directly to Chief Exec.
PM Yes
NC Only way more senior if to have that job

NC As v senior person, you can be taken to be person ultimately responsible [sound]
NC Good level of political [] in your role. Need to pay attention to current affairs. More than averagely attentive to news [sound]
NC You will have been paying above average/close attention

current affairs and how affects membrs
PM> yes and in daily life too
NC And you job description would have had strong commitment to EDI
PM Yes
NC Yes and need awareness of discimination law
PM Not a lawyer
NC But attention to
PM Yes
NC SO you need to know data diversity

Go for it Boily 😍🧁📝

Just to go back to this:

DH EHRC any particular angle RCN would like to see
PM We were hoping for clearer guidance for our members as to how to care for patients in day to day work

Centering the t yet again. Weren't interested in what it might say about single sex rights for their overwhelmingly female members.