Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

It's going to be interesting to see this witness being asked by NC why in the RCN inclusivity never seems to relate to protected characteristics other than the genderism flavour of LGBTQ+.

To quote Wittgenstein, ' Labels terminate thinking'...

From TT:

to members and staff that may be of interest to some or all of them. Used to be paper
DH Now not paper. How many times a year issued
PM Don't know
DH This article - you've mentioned there may be a number of reasons for individuals to pen articles in the mag.

DH Including such an article in mag
PM Issue of how to care for t patients been raised a number of time eg in congress. Article trying to help members understand how best to care for t patients.
DH Is this a statement of policy by the RCN?
PM No
DH [to docs] p 1262

DH Article/ piece is on RCN website. What are we looking at. Why does RCN put blogs up on website
PM This is blog
by Sally, put in in pride week. We use blogs by members. Sally written on personal level.

.. and then you have chosen to put it up on your website at a professional level

I think Justabaker's shouting was fine too. It was a comment on her own actions, not the tribunal.

It was mentioned earlier that SF would be unlikely to know how it felt to be intimidated by another man in the same room.

And isn't Bethany Hutchinson beautiful? There seems to be visible joy between those three women, Sandie, Bethany and Jennifer. It’s so heartening to see them supporting each other.

I have my own ET1 submitted last week so solidarity to the PP. Its a nerve wracking and scary process. I'm just glad my union are supporting me - and they know I'm GC as well (its not a GC matter though).

I hope so. This is basically my default inner life.

I mean, it's already clear to me that this woman is completely captured by GI. And we've not even started on the cross examination...

How near the top of the ponzi scheme union is this woman?

From TT:

PM Care for t patients
DH [discussion c pagination] At bottom of page copyright, issued 2017
PM Yes
DH This is second edition. May ask c later editions. What is this doc as category produced by RTN
PM Clinical guide for members re how to care for t people

DH RCN produces guides
PM Many
DH What would I do as member
PM They are there if people want to find them. To help them re how to give clinical care.
DH Says pub due for review March 2020. Does this 2nd edition still stay as guide
PM To my knowledge was updated ini 2020

From TT:

But no current copy. Removed for review
DH Roughly when removed
PM From memory just after SC judgment
DH In FWS
PM Yes
DH Why removed do you understand
PM Along with other docs I know now there are things no longer correct. Currently waiting for further guidance - we have EHRC

So which is it, revised, or removed? And what further guidance could you possibly need ffs?

Next time I'm getting a bingo card that has inclusion in every square

How did he find the condensed milk when he was making flapjacks, then? All those tins.....

Not viewing the tribunal so unsure how the room is arranged.

Does the witness chair have some sort of seatbelt arrangement for when the cross-examination starts?

You could make half of an Ooey-gooey coffee slice (although you really want to make the full recipe)

Nona’s Ooey Gooey Coffee Oat Slices

Base:
· 175 g butter
· 113 g sugar
· 220 g plain flour
· 1 generous teaspoon instant coffee

Middle:
· 397 g can condensed milk
· 50 g butter
· 2 teaspoons instant coffee

Topping:
· 50 g butter, melted
· 2 tablespoons golden syrup
· 1 cup rolled oats
· 1 cup desiccated coconuts

Cream the butter with the sugar, add the coffee (I dissolve it in about a teaspoon boiling water first), mix in the flour. Put it into a baking tin lined with baking paper, press down evenly. I use a tin that is 21 x 24 cm. Bake at 180 °C for 15 minutes.
In the meantime, heat the condensed milk with the butter and coffee (again dissolved in a very small volume of boiling water first) until it boils, take off the heat after the first bubbles appear and let it cool a little.
Melt the butter for the topping, mix the golden syrup into the butter, add oats and coconuts and mix well.
After 15 minutes take the tin from the oven, pour the milk mix over the base, evenly sprinkle the oat crumble on top and bake for another 20 minutes. It might need a few minutes longer, it depends on the oven.
Let it cool in the tin for 5-10 minutes before putting it on a cooling rack.

I imagine her standing on the peak, looking down. She's at the pinnacle of her career. But there's not much to see from up there. The clouds are gathering.

Ooooh are we getting to enuchs?

To be fair, we have the Convention, the Court and the Commission all using the same four letters. I have been known to use all the right letters but not necessarily in the right order sometimes, which can confuse others although I always know which one I'm referring to! This may be the journalist getting it wrong, or it may be the journalist using the abbreviation and a sub-editor getting it wrong.

Couldn't resist working in a Morecambe and Wise reference!

From TT:

code but are waiting for other guidance
DH So a work in progress?
PM Yes, remains a work in progress
DH [ to doc] runs to p 294. Booklet -do you recognise
PM yes. A resource to promote equality and inclusion in the workplace.
DH Dated Dec 2024
PM Yes

DH Purpose of doc
PM For members to promote inc in their own workplaces and also to explain terminology and what Inc and div is.
DH How would I get this. Automatically sent to me as a member
PM No. Not in hard copy. Available on our website.
DH The Fair care for T patients

Spare condensed milk makes nice icing, with melted chocolate and icing sugar I think. MIL does a great version.

So, if you were running a business, why would you think it best to support
a group of people who were likely to make loud, sustained, vigorous protests against you, possibly involving violence, if you didn’t?

The only thing keeping me going right now is the knowledge that she has to face Naomi later.

I note PM says that the taken down guidance was “no longer correct”

It was never correct….