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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65

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nauticant · 29/09/2026 10:25

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

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Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:53

Judge actually asking a question.

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2026 15:53

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:50

Is it hello, hullo, or hallo?

or 'Ahoy-ahoy' if you're Montgomery C Burns😄

ickky · 29/09/2026 15:54

Would a reasonable Judge infer from GT's evidence today that she is a liar?

Carryonnursing · 29/09/2026 15:54

I once had reason to consult an employment lawyer and the first thing they said is put everything in writing. It's employment law 101.

Everyone in the tribunal - including DH, the judge and the panel - knows full well why SP wanted it in writing and GT wanted a telephone conversation.

Will it count against RCN?

chilling19 · 29/09/2026 15:55

Sigh. Liar, liar, pants on fire. Still, there will be some backlash for agreeing with SC ruling, so she will be getting a taste of her own medicine me thinks.

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:55

He must have heard me talking about not knowing his name, I've just had an email from Andy Burnham!

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 15:55

TT

BC You didn't send letter to all telling board would uphold members rights
GT A call would have been useful here. Could explain to SP not writing and would have been able to reassure SP about what was being discussed in the partnership workings

NC You didn't write because the union had taken up position agreeing with GI GT I disagree
NC No further qs
J [to docs] When did you first see this letter
GT In the bundle
J And this one, when first see
GT [not clear]

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2026 15:56

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:55

He must have heard me talking about not knowing his name, I've just had an email from Andy Burnham!

Did you email back 'Who dis?'😂

AMillionMugsNoTeabags · 29/09/2026 15:56

I can sometimes find a call easier but if the person I’m dealing with insists on written comms, I can also pull up my big girl pants and write an email… but maybe that’s because I’m a professional.

NebulousSupportPostcard · 29/09/2026 15:57

God that was hard going

chilling19 · 29/09/2026 15:57

@SomewhatGladchoosing ‘observer’ on an iPad doesn’t work. Choose video + audio and when you get to WFTCHTJ page, turn off your video + audio.

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 15:58

TT

DH You have been asked a lot about Sept 2025 email. When were you first aware of details of critiques.
GT When coming to this tribunal.
J That concludes your evidence. You are free to go or stay.

StSpiridian · 29/09/2026 15:59

(link faulty so removed!)

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2026 16:00

J That concludes your evidence. You are free to go or stay.

I'm sure that didn't sound as dismissive as it reads - go, stay, whatevs, who cares, your presence or absence is entirely irrelevant....😄

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 16:01

TT

J Will break now and come back for Miss Marquis tomorrow.
J Would you prefer to go straight on to subs or subs on Thursday.
[They agree subs on Thursday]
[Back at 10am]
[ends]

CohensDiamondTeeth · 29/09/2026 16:01

fanOfBen · 29/09/2026 14:44

(I'm back but I'm afraid I had an accident while out and am - though not badly hurt - shocked and banged up. I won't be doing any more c&p today, sorry.)

I'm catching up and saw your post, I hope you are ok fanOfBen Flowers

SomewhatGlad · 29/09/2026 16:03

chilling19 · 29/09/2026 15:57

@SomewhatGladchoosing ‘observer’ on an iPad doesn’t work. Choose video + audio and when you get to WFTCHTJ page, turn off your video + audio.

Oooh. Interesting.

Even though the initial email says "When joining, the OBSERVER option must be selected."

Rule-breaking, but I'll try it. Tomorrow.

Thank you. 💜💚💟

YouCanCallMeMonster · 29/09/2026 16:08

Do we know what Miss Marquis’ involvement was?

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 29/09/2026 16:10

Justabaker · 29/09/2026 14:54

So many gems from this tribunal:

how many times did NC get to say
a. Eunuch
b. Tat
c. Merch

d. Fuck

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 16:12

YouCanCallMeMonster · 29/09/2026 16:08

Do we know what Miss Marquis’ involvement was?

Possibly this woman

(Although the RCN lead for Scotland is a man called Colin Poolman)

Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65
nauticant · 29/09/2026 16:14

My guess would be that Marquis wasn't involved in the SP case and will be cross-examined about institutional positions on certain contentious issues.

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KTheGrey · 29/09/2026 16:14

fanOfBen · 29/09/2026 14:44

(I'm back but I'm afraid I had an accident while out and am - though not badly hurt - shocked and banged up. I won't be doing any more c&p today, sorry.)

Ouch - hope you are drinking hot sweet tea and feel better soon x

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 16:15

I am intrigued as to why we are hearing from the England lead, not the Scotland lead. Perhaps Ms Marquis is something to do with DEI?

Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65
YouCanCallMeMonster · 29/09/2026 16:15

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 16:12

Possibly this woman

(Although the RCN lead for Scotland is a man called Colin Poolman)

Edited

Thank you and….dammit, I’m going to miss a lot of her testimony as I’m going out tomorrow.

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 16:16

nauticant · 29/09/2026 16:14

My guess would be that Marquis wasn't involved in the SP case and will be cross-examined about institutional positions on certain contentious issues.

Edited

Yes, good point.

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