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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65

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nauticant · 29/09/2026 10:25

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

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FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 15:17

From TT:

NC DM not promising facilities for all w, just SP
GT Looking at policy etc, RCN representing all members [ apologies, GT v difficult to hear clearly]
NC SP write to you, anxious that board has said no m into sss for w. Concern cos DU said under oath considers

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:19

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 15:16

No shortbread here, never existed M’Lud…

That's cheating!!!

Where's the before photo?

How can I enjoy biscuits vicariously through you without the before shot?

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 15:20

From TT:

himself a bio w. So not clear promise from DM that there would be sss facilities for w
GT> Yes, SP concerned and my responsibility as rep to help with her concerns.
NC After SC etc, SP points out affects all f colleagues
GT Yes would affect all members and we have good structure and process in Scotland.
NC But they haven't achieved it
GT They are working, SWAG etc
NC At pace
GT As well as can be, working on it and it's moving ahead.
NC SP says colleagues concerned but afraid to raise with management

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:21

Gillian sounding a bit deflated.

WomanInnaWoods · 29/09/2026 15:22

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:07

I wonder if it was the sex dungeon photos?

Oh right, the ones he sent to a disabled woman advocating for single sex care while calling her a parasite and accusing her of making up her disability!

He also wrote a very miffed Medium article about it. archive.ph/aRB6l

ickky · 29/09/2026 15:22

FUCK OFF

SomewhatGlad · 29/09/2026 15:22

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:17

My faith is bolstered somewhat by having had two tribunals myself, for different things, and the judge found in my favour both times!

I am VERY pleased to read that, while regretting that you had cause to go through the tribunal process.

Scout2016 · 29/09/2026 15:22

I think Gillian - senior rep who claims to be inclusive and supportive but knows very little of the relevant legal background doesn't know what the Progress flag is and doesn't know what any members believe in - actually thinks she does a good job.

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2026 15:23

GT Yes would affect all members and we have good structure and process in Scotland.
Truly politician-level meaningless waffle for 'No,we have not done it yet'

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 15:23

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:19

That's cheating!!!

Where's the before photo?

How can I enjoy biscuits vicariously through you without the before shot?

Just for you ( he doesn’t do presentation 😁)

Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65
YouCanCallMeMonster · 29/09/2026 15:23

Oh Gillian. What do you take notice of?

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 15:23

From TT:

GT No reason to disbelieve SP> A call would have been helpful. No members coming forward
NC Members would be fearful
GT Would depend on members perceptions. No evidence c members being fearful to raise with RCN
NC But RCN sprinkled with progress pride flags, not overtly negative towards GAC, progress merch. Members think Union fully signed up to GI
GT Disagree with that.
NC Even if didn't think union signed up, many w who object in workplace have been subject to vicious persecution if express GC views
GT Not aware
NC Heard of JKR
GT Yes

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:24

Straight out lying now

news celebrate GIF
Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:24

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 15:23

Just for you ( he doesn’t do presentation 😁)

Top left one please.

😘😋

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 15:25

From TT:

NC Aware JKR has produced rape and death threats
GT Not aware
NC Lots of members might keep an eye on JKR and twitter
GT Don't know
NC Some of your members may know what's happened to her?
GT Don't know
NC Progress pride flag has been flying over RCN London HQ

chilling19 · 29/09/2026 15:25

This woman is a LIAR

ILikeDungs · 29/09/2026 15:25

NC Aware JKR has produced rape and death threats
GT Not aware
NC Lots of members might keep an eye on JKR and twitter
GT Don't know
NC Some of your members may know what's happened to her?
GT Don't know

LIAR

SomewhatGlad · 29/09/2026 15:26

Drat, I meant to close one page and ended up leaving the whole internet.

So, I'm WFTCHTJ.

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:26

I've just noticed the pattern on the top of the speaker I'm listening to this on.

Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65
MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2026 15:27

Maybe NC should ask her if she knows what the year is and who is Prime Minister...🙄

SomewhatGlad · 29/09/2026 15:27

Subliminal message influencing your purchasing choice?

chilling19 · 29/09/2026 15:28

SomewhatGlad · 29/09/2026 15:26

Drat, I meant to close one page and ended up leaving the whole internet.

So, I'm WFTCHTJ.

My iPad ran out of juice on Friday and out I went. I sympathise.

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 15:28

From TT:

all this time since May this year
GT Don't know. Haven't been there.
NC Suppression of matters in workplace should flag with TU. Article 11.
GT Not aware of any members coming forward c board not allowing them to talk about this.
NC [reads] No one could object to staff having right to talk together re wanting sss.
GT Yes, within para. Staff to do so in acceptable manner.
NC Not only in acceptable manner. Don't have to preemptively tone police.
GT Just a generic para. If any concerns c context..

BettyBooper · 29/09/2026 15:28

From NW (as missed on TT)

NC heard of JK Rowling
GT yes
NC know her views
GT yes
NC know what she's been subjected to
GT no

The rapidity that GT answered the 'do you know JKR views' question was extremely telling...

Signalbox · 29/09/2026 15:28

The idea that this woman agrees with the FWS judgment is for the birds.

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