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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #63

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nauticant · 24/09/2026 13:07

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 60: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5461133-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-60 16 December 2025 to 8 January 2026

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

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NotInMyyName · Today 12:21

Rollingpinofdoom · Today 12:13

And you said you weee happy to set one up… how’s that going….

I think the lack of action by @Lacksiedemonstrates really clearly their intention to derail this thread for their own reasons. Quite deliberate and thinks this will in some way affect our discussions. Off you pop.

Please do not engage any further on this thread with this topic. Otherwise you appease their malicious intent.

KTheGrey · Today 12:25

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Today 09:17

I don't know, I met reps like this, being in the Union is a paid skive for them, he might well have thought SP was lucky because she could get time off and be paid. Score.
Although I agree it's terrible advice I'm not sure there was much more than a grifter grifting thought behind it.

Sadly I have only met union reps like this. I don't have much respect for anybody I have met through unions. They are getting money under false pretences in my opinion.

Mmmnotsure · Today 12:37

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · Today 12:19

If the EAT orders the ET to be reheard unfortunately I don't think we will hear from Upton as he is in Australia. I doubt that he would want to go through another ET & he cannot be compelled to attend if abroad.

Which of course will have had absolutely no bearing on his decision to scarper off to a faraway land where women's sex-based rights are erased.

fanOfBen · Today 12:46

Cismyfatarse · Today 12:18

Sorry. Thread has moved on.

Can’t watch in person. How magnificent has NC been? Is Charlotte there too?

Pretty magnificent! No Charlotte this time, though - Margaret Gribbon is there with NC.

Justabaker · Today 13:03

Cismyfatarse · Today 12:18

Sorry. Thread has moved on.

Can’t watch in person. How magnificent has NC been? Is Charlotte there too?

No Charlotte this time.

NC is on top form. Calm. Using a sword not a club in cross examination. Friday afternoon was forensic as she slowly shoved bamboo skewers under the fingernails of Normal Norman.

David Hay (opposing counsel) is collegial and they have an effective working relationship - across the aisle as you might say.

Judge is calm and likes an orderly courtroom.

Not a pronoun or any compelled speech in sight.

Lacksie · Today 13:14

NotInMyyName · Today 12:21

I think the lack of action by @Lacksiedemonstrates really clearly their intention to derail this thread for their own reasons. Quite deliberate and thinks this will in some way affect our discussions. Off you pop.

Please do not engage any further on this thread with this topic. Otherwise you appease their malicious intent.

If someone wishes to set up a thread to discuss that in an open, respectful and productive manner, I'd be more than happy to contribute.

oldtiredcyclist · Today 13:18

Thanks to everyone who has been involved in C&P of the tribunal notes, they have been both fascinating and shocking at times. I am amazed at how the RCN has behaved towards SP (and no doubt other nurses), I have no doubt that the whole structure of the RCN has to be dismantled, because presently it doesn't offer much help to nurses. It is obviously riddled with gender ideology, which in turn has a pejorative effect on RCN decision making.

murasaki · Today 13:22

Lacksie · Today 13:14

If someone wishes to set up a thread to discuss that in an open, respectful and productive manner, I'd be more than happy to contribute.

Why don't you do it, I thought you were happy to?

KittyWilkinson · Today 13:24

I keep thinking that David Dawes from the RCN, (the bloke who was into Bondage and ran classes into how to tie people up in knots) is posting on this thread.

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