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Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #60

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nauticant · 16/12/2025 22:37

Judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6936ce28a6fc97b81e57436a/S_Peggie_v_Fife_Health_Board__Dr_Upton.pdf

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.
Following handing down of the judgment on 8 December 2025, on 11 December 2025, it was announced by Sandie Peggie and her legal team that they would be pursuing an appeal.

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6.

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025
Thread 52: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403218-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-52 2 September 2025 to 4 September 2025
Thread 53: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53 3 September 2025 to 1 October 2025
Thread 54: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5418690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-54 28 September 2025 to 21 November 2025
Thread 55: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5447019-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-55 19 November 2025 to 8 December 2025
Thread 56: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456749-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-56 8 December 2025 to 9 December 2025
Thread 57: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5457132-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-57 9 December 2025 to 11 December 2025
Thread 58: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5458443-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-58 11 December 2025 to 12 December 2025
Thread 59: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5459115-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-59 12 December 2025 to 17 December 2025

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INeedAPensieve · 17/12/2025 08:25

Thanks @nauticant for the 60th thread! 60!!! I would say happy 60th but it's been a rollercoaster.

Placemarking for this ongoing saga.

WearyAuldWumman · 17/12/2025 12:24

Tried to reply to @BezMills, but the thread has closed.

Re: renaming of Big Sond. I agree with all your suggestions. A like the soond o

"Sleekit Eck" or "Eck the neck" mebbe?
"Former EJ Kemp" wid be guid eh, ah think that wid be a crowd pleaser, at least roond this bit.

Hooever, ma mither wiz born in the 1920s. A useful comment fae thae days:

"He can shite a brick an print his name oan it."

So...in ma mind, as well as bein "Sleekit Eck", "Eck the neck" and "Former EJ Kemp", he's no "Big Eck". He's jist a "Big Erse".

SionnachRuadh · 17/12/2025 12:31

WearyAuldWumman · 17/12/2025 12:24

Tried to reply to @BezMills, but the thread has closed.

Re: renaming of Big Sond. I agree with all your suggestions. A like the soond o

"Sleekit Eck" or "Eck the neck" mebbe?
"Former EJ Kemp" wid be guid eh, ah think that wid be a crowd pleaser, at least roond this bit.

Hooever, ma mither wiz born in the 1920s. A useful comment fae thae days:

"He can shite a brick an print his name oan it."

So...in ma mind, as well as bein "Sleekit Eck", "Eck the neck" and "Former EJ Kemp", he's no "Big Eck". He's jist a "Big Erse".

A haftae say, coof is no wan that's familiar tae me.

But when A scundered ma parents, A cud be a glipe or a hallion or a cheeky ghost an sometimes in the same sentence foreby.

But "Sleekit Eck" is a guid wan.

weegielass · 17/12/2025 13:17

parks bum

Tiddler1976 · 17/12/2025 13:28

So that's the CEO of NHS Fife saying that the Sandie Peggie case did have an impact on her decision to leave in The Herald today.

Well, blow me doon.

BezMills · 17/12/2025 13:36

Shocking revelations!

ProfessorBinturong · 17/12/2025 13:45

Well, colour me surprised.

weegielass · 17/12/2025 13:49

was just coming on to post this

Supporterofwomensrights · 17/12/2025 13:50

Impressive work by The Herald, digging this up.

ILoveLaLaLand · 17/12/2025 13:53

So she is capable of telling the truth but was choosing to kiss ass rather than support a nurse dealing with a predatory male in the female changing room.
A male we now know is trying to impregnate his wife - all while telling a judge under oath he is female...

This epitomizes the management class - a class of kiss-asses who go with the flow no matter how wrong that is.

AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 17/12/2025 13:54

lcakethereforeIam · 17/12/2025 13:42

Link to the Herald article

https://archive.ph/UrGx7

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25704745.nhs-fife-chief-admits-sandie-peggie-influenced-retirement/

The way it came up on The Herald's front page, I thought for a second Sandie Peggie had written it!

Nobody here can be surprised.

This case is truly the gift that keeps giving. I wonder what else will come to light during the appeal, and during any investigation into judge Kemp's actions

SexRealistLawyer · 17/12/2025 13:57

lcakethereforeIam · 17/12/2025 13:42

Link to the Herald article

https://archive.ph/UrGx7

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25704745.nhs-fife-chief-admits-sandie-peggie-influenced-retirement/

The way it came up on The Herald's front page, I thought for a second Sandie Peggie had written it!

Liar liar pants on fire! I wonder where dear Carol's good friend is now?

nauticant · 17/12/2025 13:57

I think this might be the first sensible thing she's done since the whole scandal started. Keeping up the pretence that Upton hasn't been an albatross around the Trust's neck for a long time would have made her look like a fool. She'll be able to dress this up as loyalty to the Trust but honesty now she's free to speak.

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SexRealistLawyer · 17/12/2025 14:00

nauticant · 17/12/2025 13:57

I think this might be the first sensible thing she's done since the whole scandal started. Keeping up the pretence that Upton hasn't been an albatross around the Trust's neck for a long time would have made her look like a fool. She'll be able to dress this up as loyalty to the Trust but honesty now she's free to speak.

This was in a letter presumably uncovered by an FoI.

She hasn't told the truth. Its part of the ongoing lies and cover up.

"I no longer have the capacity to give the role the focus and momentum it deserves.” - Too right Carol - off you pop.

SexRealistLawyer · 17/12/2025 14:02

However, correspondence obtained by The Herald can reveal that Ms Potter warned NHS bosses of the pressures of the “intense scrutiny” around the tribunal, citing it as a key reason for her departure.

Emails and documents seen exclusively by The Herald revealed that Ms Potter warned NHS and Scottish ministers her resignation was in the best interest of the health board.

A letter addressed to Patricia Kilpatrick, chair of NHS Fife, said: “The past six years have been the most fulfilling of my professional life.

“Together, as Team Fife, we have faced extraordinary challenges, from the pandemic to ongoing financial, performance and workforce pressures - and most recently a period of intense public and media scrutiny.

“As you know, this has been an especially difficult period for all involved and has been a significant factor in my decision to step down.”

Her letter added: “I recognise that one of the most important responsibilities as a leader, is to know when you are the right person to lead, and when it is time to step aside.”

“In recent months, I’ve taken time to reflect on the demands of the role and on my own capacity to meet them. Serving as a Chief Executive in the NHS requires unwavering commitment - someone who can give their all - all of the time,” she said.

“I had hoped to find the energy and headspace to continue into the next stage of NHS Fife’s journey, but I’ve had to acknowledge that I no longer have the capacity to give the role the focus and momentum it deserves.”

BezMills · 17/12/2025 14:14

It's such a shame that Doctor Upton has compromised Carol Potter's headspace so badly. Poor show Doctor Upton, very poor show.

murasaki · 17/12/2025 14:22

Headspaces, female single sex changing rooms, he barges uninvited into them all.

Peregrina · 17/12/2025 14:45

Isn't it all so convenient. Off she pops and her successor says "Nothing to do with me Guv, all before my time."

Was Dr Upton really worth curtailing your career for Mrs Potter?

murasaki · 17/12/2025 14:50

It is odd that he's the Hill so many are prepared to die on. There are loads of junior doctors out there who can't get jobs who be much better and less trouble than him.

DrBlackbird · 17/12/2025 14:52

BezMills · 17/12/2025 14:14

It's such a shame that Doctor Upton has compromised Carol Potter's headspace so badly. Poor show Doctor Upton, very poor show.

Very sad times.

KeepupKardigans · 17/12/2025 14:54

With reference to a GRC given to a trans man trying to become pregnant, I thought I had seen that legally only a mother can give birth and it registered on the birth certificate. I thought they tried to get it registered that a father had given birth but it was refused. If so how does that work for a pregnant trans man with a GRC at the time of birth?

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 17/12/2025 14:58

Jumping back, our version of pax, trucie etc was "Keys!" with both thumbs up. I've never heard of any of the others before this thread.

I wonder how many other people's headspace Dr U has invaded?

SexRealistLawyer · 17/12/2025 15:01

KeepupKardigans · 17/12/2025 14:54

With reference to a GRC given to a trans man trying to become pregnant, I thought I had seen that legally only a mother can give birth and it registered on the birth certificate. I thought they tried to get it registered that a father had given birth but it was refused. If so how does that work for a pregnant trans man with a GRC at the time of birth?

They can only be a mother. Trans identified women with a GRC have given birth and been recorded mother.

SexRealistLawyer · 17/12/2025 15:08

As to the Lay Members - a friend in our group has confirmed

"The only information that HMCTS can provide in relation to lay panel members is what’s published in the judgment"

So no full names forthcoming. Interesting the HM Courts and Tribunal Services are so keen to keep lay members names so hidden even for the purposes of a complaint.

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