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Child raped in toilet by Transwoman

170 replies

Letterleaf · 15/09/2026 17:13

Hang on. I thought trans women in female toilets were never a threat. In fact a trans person at my work told me this never happened…

www.dailymail.com/news/article-16132895/German-transgender-policewoman-rapes-14-year-old-girl-stash-child-porn.html

OP posts:
BruachAbhann · Yesterday 11:59

PensionPTake · 15/09/2026 19:02

And do think by patronising me with a 'bless' I'm going to change my mind and think 'oh gosh back to lurk is right I'm changing my opinion now'?

I'm Interested in peoples views of both sides of the trans debate, but as I said before it's impossible to have reasonable discussions online which is why I barely bother with this board. If you want people to listen to your views or understand your pov, patronising them isn't the way to make it happen.

You don't seem that interested in having reasonable discussions as you've basically dismissed people who know that some men rape women as having an 'extreme' view. It's really not that difficult to get hold of statistics and know that 95% of sexual assaults are by men. I wonder what you mean by 'genuine transwomen'? They are still men, whatever way they identify.

ERthree · Yesterday 12:07

spannasaurus · 15/09/2026 17:35

What makes this a man masquerading as a transwoman rather than a transwoman who has raped a girl

Edited

Because there is no such thing as a transwoman. A man cannot transform into a woman therefore there is no transwoman only a bloke pretending to be a woman.

BruachAbhann · Yesterday 12:09

PensionPTake · 15/09/2026 21:42

And that's it isn't it. I will, because people like you put me off engaging or seeing any evidence.

based on the trans people I know. Sorry I don't know any rapey ones.

I know plenty of men. I'm not aware that any of them are 'rapey ones' and yet I still know that men can commit rape. I don't excuse all men of the potential of committing this crime just because I, personally, don't know any 'rapey ones'. I find it hard to see the logic in your thinking.

rescheduledfornever · Yesterday 12:32

He’s no more a woman than I am a supermodel in the wrong body.
Wannabe, maybe but it’s just wishful thinking.
He is male and he has male genitalia.

LeftieRightsHoarder · Yesterday 14:15

dizzydizzydizzy · Yesterday 08:09

WHO no longer considers gender dysphoria a mental health condition. Also, personally, I believe each person has the right to do their own body as they wish. Anyone who is willing to go through with this major surgery has to be pretty desperate and I think most of us can’t begin to understand it.

“ICD-11 has redefined gender identity-related health, replacing outdated diagnostic categories like ICD-10’s “transsexualism” and “gender identity disorder of children” with “gender incongruence of adolescence and adulthood” and “gender incongruence of childhood” respectively. Gender incongruence has been moved out of the “Mental and behavioural disorders” chapter and into the new “Conditions related to sexual health” chapter. This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma.”

https://www.who.int/standards/classifications/frequently-asked-questions/gender-incongruence-and-transgender-health-in-the-icd

Captured organisations can say what they like (ie what will placate an aggressive ideology), but that doesn’t change reality.

Wanting to cause serious and often painful damage to your own body, in pursuit of a delusion, has to be a sign of mental illness.

LeftieRightsHoarder · Yesterday 14:31

theilltemperedmonster · Yesterday 10:18

What is the definition of "living their life as the opposite sex"? What exactly are the criteria? A list would be helpful

This is from the government website about how to get a GRC:

Evidence of living in your gender for the last 2 years
You’ll need copies of evidence to show that you’ve been living in your affirmed gender for the last 2 years.
Each piece of evidence should contain at least one of the following that matches up with your affirmed gender:

  • a name
  • a title, like ‘Mr’ or ‘Miss’
  • a gender marker, like ‘male’ or ‘female’
There are no other specific requirements for this evidence, but try to find:
  • evidence from different points over the 2 years, with roughly 1 piece of evidence for every 3 months
  • at least one piece of evidence from the last 2 or 3 months
  • evidence from a variety of different sources
The evidence can come from before you were diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Examples of what you can send in include good quality photocopies or photographs of:
  • your driving licence
  • your passport
  • identity cards, like workplace IDs, student IDs, railcards, health insurance cards, library cards or supermarket loyalty cards
  • letters from solicitors, accountants, doctors, dentists or employers
  • bank statements
  • payslips, P60s and P45s
  • benefit letters
  • tax letters and documents, including council tax
  • credit reports
  • confirmation letters that you’re on the electoral register
  • student loan statements
  • utility bills, such as internet bills
  • rental agreements
  • academic certificates and documents

[end of quote]

So, it's utility bills, basically. They can't ask for proof of medical treatment, obviously, because Garçon & Nicot v France. But they also don't ask for proof of dressing up. However, having medical treatment and dressing up could presumably assist the diagnosis of gender dysphoria which is also required.

In other words, basically all they have to do is use an opposite-sex name and make sure it’s on all their paperwork, and tick the opposite-sex box when asked.

Because the government knows as well as we do that the idea of living as the opposite sex is meaningless.
A man can try to disguise himself as a woman. He can tell people he’s a woman, and never go out without make-up and high heels.
He’s still a man, living as a man in disguise.

dizzydizzydizzy · Yesterday 15:16

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 11:29

I think if you’d looked into what’s gone on in WPATH you would not be so sanguine.

Bottom surgery in particular there seems to be a problem with follow up. Lots of stories on X/Reddit about people being left with significant complications, but surgeons not seeing it as their job to help them. It’s really very scary.

A huge amount of this medicine is not even promoted as ‘evidence based’ any more. They don’t use these words because they can’t. They talk about ‘consensus based’ instead. I don’t know about you, but I know how consensus can be arrived at and I don’t think that’s anything like sufficient.

I appreciate we all want to believe that the medical profession have s the evidence in their back pocket and are proceeding on an evidence backed basis, but sadly I don’t think that’s true. And there is plenty of form in the medical profession for calling things wrong.

The WHO says they are used scientific
evidence as the basis to move transsexualism
from mental health to sexual health:

“The 11th revision of the WHO International
Classification of Diseases and Related Health
Problems (ICD-11) reconceptualised categories
based on additional empirical data and
advances in medical and scientific knowledge
about sex and gender.”

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/documents/gender/sogie---faq-final-08.10.2024.pdf

Whatver is on X or Reddit may or may not be true, and people have various motivations for
putting stuff there - sometimes noble and honest and sometimes the opposite.

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/documents/gender/sogie---faq-final-08.10.2024.pdf

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 16:03

dizzydizzydizzy · Yesterday 15:16

The WHO says they are used scientific
evidence as the basis to move transsexualism
from mental health to sexual health:

“The 11th revision of the WHO International
Classification of Diseases and Related Health
Problems (ICD-11) reconceptualised categories
based on additional empirical data and
advances in medical and scientific knowledge
about sex and gender.”

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/documents/gender/sogie---faq-final-08.10.2024.pdf

Whatver is on X or Reddit may or may not be true, and people have various motivations for
putting stuff there - sometimes noble and honest and sometimes the opposite.

Look I understand want to believe this is all evidenced, above board and done with the best of intentions. Unfortunately this can’t be relied upon.

The stuff on the Reddit forums are from transitioners and TRAs. I have been absolutely horrified by some of the material on there.

AstonCanKissMyArse · Yesterday 16:08

PensionPTake · 15/09/2026 18:46

@rubyslipperswell that we will never know. The same way we don't know which police officers are masquerading as upholding members of society but are actually paedophiles and rapists, as is also demonstrated in this article. Truth is we will never know one way or the other if this a genuine transwoman raping a child or a man pretending to be a transwoman to more easily access and rape a child.

I'm not saying women shouldn't have single sex spaces btw because we should, but I also dislike the assumption some people make and push, that all transwomen want access to women's spaces to do pervy things or rape us. Perhaps this is because I largely see people at one extreme end of the scale who are very transphobic. There are also extreme trans activists too. I suspect most people sit somewhere more in the middle of these two groups, but it can be hard to have a reasonable discussion online without an extreme of one or the other derailing things.

@spannasaurus someone who has gender dysphoria and isn't just pretending to be a woman with the sole purpose of accessing female spaces. The trans people I know (not many granted), hate their biological body parts that demonstrate they are in fact male/female and would rather they didn't have them at all. I suppose not every trans person will be like the ones I know though. The desire to rape someone will come down to the individual and not how they identify.

Edited

I also dislike the assumption some people make and push, that all transwomen want access to women's spaces to do pervy things or rape us.

I have never, ever seen anyone say that.* *

I have however, seen many posters like yourself use it as a straw man.

Why is it so hard to grasp? Most people can understand that

All rapists are men
=/=
All men are rapists

But because some are, we keep all of them out off places where woman are vulnerable.

Everyone understands this. And yet

"Some TW are rapists" - which is an undeniable* fact, gets turned into:
'You said all TW are rapists, you bigot!'

*undeniable except by people who argue that the rapists are somehow 'pretend' TW. Given that we can never know the contents of another person's mind, and given that all is required to be true trans is to consider yourself to be, its a useless and irrelevant distinction. Nobody else can tell which is which, even if a distinction exists in their own mind.

FarriersGirl · Yesterday 17:06

dizzydizzydizzy · Yesterday 15:16

The WHO says they are used scientific
evidence as the basis to move transsexualism
from mental health to sexual health:

“The 11th revision of the WHO International
Classification of Diseases and Related Health
Problems (ICD-11) reconceptualised categories
based on additional empirical data and
advances in medical and scientific knowledge
about sex and gender.”

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/documents/gender/sogie---faq-final-08.10.2024.pdf

Whatver is on X or Reddit may or may not be true, and people have various motivations for
putting stuff there - sometimes noble and honest and sometimes the opposite.

WPATH recommendations have been shown to be based on politics and ideology rather than real evidence. Look up the WPATH files on Genspect.

Also see this article on the GenderBlog that came out this week with an interview from a clinician who has worked in a gender clinic.

https://genderblog.net/former-gender-clinician-its-pseudo-medicine/?utm_source=noptin&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Post%20Notification%20-%20Former%20Gender%20Clinician:%20#8220;It’s%20pseudo-medicine”

RogueFemale · Yesterday 19:27

Rollingpinofdoom · Yesterday 06:05

My ex was dysphoria because he was a gay man with very severe internalised homophobia and an extreme liking shall we say for Women’s clothes, the “sluttier” the better. He wasn’t dysphoric about his penis. All he was concerned about was growing big boobs.

I'm very sorry this man happened to you.

dizzydizzydizzy · Yesterday 22:53

FarriersGirl · Yesterday 17:06

WPATH recommendations have been shown to be based on politics and ideology rather than real evidence. Look up the WPATH files on Genspect.

Also see this article on the GenderBlog that came out this week with an interview from a clinician who has worked in a gender clinic.

https://genderblog.net/former-gender-clinician-its-pseudo-medicine/?utm_source=noptin&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Post%20Notification%20-%20Former%20Gender%20Clinician:%20#8220;It’s%20pseudo-medicine”

The opinion of one clinician is very interesting but it is just that - one person’s opinion, not evidence.

Much the same can be said about the criticism that WPATH recommendation are based on politics and ideology - that is the opinion of Genspect and is an interesting viewpoint but not a proven fact.Their analysis is based on leaked files so the information is likely to be incomplete and the people who did the work are biased. So I wouldn’t totally ignore it but I would assume that everything form Genspect is heavily spun - and ironically ideology based - rather than a balanced view of the situation from many angles which is what WHO has done.WHO also considered psychiatric research, access to healthcare, stigma and a number of other issues.

CassOle · Yesterday 22:58

An 'opinion' you say...

https://segm.org/sites/default/files/2026-08/WPATH%20Motion%20to%20dismiss_Aug%202026.pdf

https://www.city-journal.org/article/wpath-ftc-lawsuit-gender-medicine

"The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) now claims that its “standards of care” are merely one opinion in a debate over youth gender medicine. This marks a dramatic change for WPATH, which spent years promoting its approach as the only ethical one to help youth and adults who experience distress associated with their sexual embodiment.

WPATH makes this claim in a legal filing submitted in a lawsuit brought against it by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC)."

Manyanamanyana · Yesterday 23:49

spannasaurus · 15/09/2026 20:35

There have been posters before who say that women should have single sex spaces, as you said, but who then go on to say that "genuine transwomen" should be allowed in female single sex spaces.

It wasn't clear to me from your post whether you thought that "genuine transwomen" should be allowed in female single sex spaces or not hence my question

Edited

Tbf, it wasn't clear to you because some posters are deliberately vague and put single mildly provocative statement up the top of a thread (I think to derail) and then spend the rest of their time responding to the reasonable replies in the vein of "I didn't say that", "you've put words in my mouth", and "it is impossible to have a reasonable conversation on these threads". It's basic gaslighting. They do it all the time. They don't really state a position, just elude to something they know we disagree with, and play ping pong until we tire out. Very snarky behaviour.

Whatifitallgoesright · Yesterday 23:51

PensionPTake · 15/09/2026 17:37

I assume if someone genuinely feels like and wants to be a woman, they wouldn't be raping people with their penis.

You are misunderstanding the psychology of so-called gender confusion.

Mistachio · Yesterday 23:53

Well will you look at that. That thing that never happens has gone and happened again. It’s such a shock that a deviant with a fetish has behaved like deviants with fetishes behave.

BabblingBiddy · Today 02:08

Morepositivemum · 17/09/2026 13:56

LeftieRightsHoarder

Theres a difference between op posting ‘the thing we warned everyone about has sadly come true’ vs what she wrote. I’m not minimising what happened by saying that

Its not so much that it "sadly came true" but more that "it fucking happened again"
How many times does it need to happen before people say "enough" ?

FarriersGirl · Today 06:23

dizzydizzydizzy · Yesterday 22:53

The opinion of one clinician is very interesting but it is just that - one person’s opinion, not evidence.

Much the same can be said about the criticism that WPATH recommendation are based on politics and ideology - that is the opinion of Genspect and is an interesting viewpoint but not a proven fact.Their analysis is based on leaked files so the information is likely to be incomplete and the people who did the work are biased. So I wouldn’t totally ignore it but I would assume that everything form Genspect is heavily spun - and ironically ideology based - rather than a balanced view of the situation from many angles which is what WHO has done.WHO also considered psychiatric research, access to healthcare, stigma and a number of other issues.

Please can can you provide a link to this WHO research and reporting on actual evidence.

dizzydizzydizzy · Today 07:58

FarriersGirl · Today 06:23

Please can can you provide a link to this WHO research and reporting on actual evidence.

Already done….. see my PPs

FarriersGirl · Today 09:50

I was hoping to see the actual scientific evidence for the supporting medical and psychiatric studies. The link to the ICD -11 does not provide this. The FAQ document has a lot of references but is clearly a political and ideological publication and the research quoted has all been conducted in the field of human rights, nothing clinical or medical.

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