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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Polycule falls apart

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RoyalCorgi · 31/07/2026 08:54

I expect people remember that Heather Herbert (charged in relation to social media comments he made after Ann Widdecombe's death) is in a polycule with Sophie Molly (aka Sparkles, aka Euan Weddell) and someone called Poppybear.

Molly, I believe, is a witness for Jolyon Maugham in Sarah Phillimore's libel case against Maugham.

Poppybear has been posting some very indiscreet posts on BlueSky about both Molly and Herbert, and it looks, tragically, as if the polycule has fallen apart.

According to Poppybear, Herbert's comments about Widdecombe "painted a bullseye on all of us", and led to the police coming in and "invading" all their devices (whatever that means).

Also according to Poppybear, living with Sophie Molly is "like being permanently slapped around the face by pathological laziness unless it's something that grooms her ego."

Oh dear.

https://x.com/DogLoverOfPI/status/2082944747862188490

In a separate development, apparently Herbert has had his toxic kidney removed by the NHS so the money donated to the fundraiser is going to be used for something else:

https://x.com/WillyWoofter/status/2082494111555190875

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Lalgarh · Yesterday 12:07

WrongKindOfFeminist · Yesterday 11:58

Who knows what red flags he chooses to include and which to leave out.

It's not some sort of restraining order he's obligated to show is it?

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 12:07

SidewaysOtter · Yesterday 11:40

I can just imagine him walking through a crowded street handing it out to all and sundry, like a golf sale/dodgy takeaway/can-we-interest-you-in-our-religion flyer.

buy one get 3 free 😂

lcakethereforeIam · Yesterday 12:20

There's only one answer to that, 'Bog Off!'

WerewolfOfLoudon · Yesterday 12:29

RoyalCorgi · Yesterday 08:52

There’s a complete absence of common sense by the police in all of the stories of people harassed by means of complaints to police.

The question we need to ask is: is this a bug or a feature? To put it another way: are the police simply inept, and mindlessly doing the bidding of activists because they are too stupid/lazy/ignorant to realise that the activists are deliberately making malicious reports to harass their political opponents?

Or are they deliberately doing what activists tell them because they actively want to silence and intimidate people who stand up for women's rights?

are the police simply inept, and mindlessly doing the bidding of activists because they are too stupid/lazy/ignorant

Yes

Or are they deliberately doing what activists tell them because they actively want to silence and intimidate people who stand up for women's rights?

Also yes.

Corrupt patriarchy yet again. DC Rachael Fletcher is 100% right. Transwomen are not women and all rapists are men. The police will question and arrest those who agree but let the actual rapists and pedophiles (especially the transwomen) walk free.

WerewolfOfLoudon · Yesterday 12:36

lechiffre55 · Yesterday 11:30

To be fair, at least people they interact with are being given full disclosure.
I see that as a positive given the sex and rape by deception horror stories out there. I give credit for what I see as up front honesty and transparency and the avoidance of deception.

There's not a man alive being deceived into thinking any of them are women. No matter how high or drunk they are.

WerewolfOfLoudon · Yesterday 12:39

lechiffre55 · Yesterday 11:40

That's pretty clear, but it's the intent and actions I'm giving credit for.
There was a sex by deception case on here a good while back that was in the same how the fuck?? ease of identification window, but some poor bloke still ended up in trouble he's unlikely to be able to forget, and I doubt his friends will ever let him.
To be open and upfront deserves credit because it helps all parties avoid bad situations before they even start to happen. I'm taking each win, no matter how small as a win.

Do you think this document will include the fact he is a man? Doubt it.

lechiffre55 · Yesterday 12:51

@WerewolfOfLoudon
Yes I believe there's a distinct possibility that the red flag document would either directly state, or give more than enough clues for someone to figure out it's a man. I'm taking intent into account here, and if they are disclosing red flags to avoid bad situations. In my opinion there's a very high chance they are also up front about being trans.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 12:53

WerewolfOfLoudon · Yesterday 12:39

Do you think this document will include the fact he is a man? Doubt it.

Exactly. I also doubt it. I imagine it will be about his “limits” or whatever.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 12:53

lechiffre55 · Yesterday 12:51

@WerewolfOfLoudon
Yes I believe there's a distinct possibility that the red flag document would either directly state, or give more than enough clues for someone to figure out it's a man. I'm taking intent into account here, and if they are disclosing red flags to avoid bad situations. In my opinion there's a very high chance they are also up front about being trans.

No clues would be needed.

INeedAPensieve · Yesterday 13:18

I read somewhere and I wish I could remember where, that women are much better at accurately sexing men than men are. However, in this particular case, I am really surprised that the man who was deceived couldn't tell that this was a bloke.

Lins77 · Yesterday 13:21

INeedAPensieve · Yesterday 13:18

I read somewhere and I wish I could remember where, that women are much better at accurately sexing men than men are. However, in this particular case, I am really surprised that the man who was deceived couldn't tell that this was a bloke.

I remember this case and I think a lot of alcohol/drugs were involved.

WerewolfOfLoudon · Yesterday 13:28

Lins77 · Yesterday 13:21

I remember this case and I think a lot of alcohol/drugs were involved.

And a lot of darkness.

WerewolfOfLoudon · Yesterday 13:34

INeedAPensieve · Yesterday 13:18

I read somewhere and I wish I could remember where, that women are much better at accurately sexing men than men are. However, in this particular case, I am really surprised that the man who was deceived couldn't tell that this was a bloke.

Pretty sure it's been referred to in a lot of places. Women are pre programmed (for want of a better term) to detect men because in general men present a threat - bigger, stronger, etc - whereas men are, again in general, on equal footing and definitely not threatened by women.

IIRC correctly the victim was a very inexperienced teenager, and pics of the offender were heavily filtered and he wouldn't let the victim touch him.

Dadalus · Yesterday 13:36

I assumed he knew but then claimed deception to avoid being seen as gay.

WerewolfOfLoudon · Yesterday 13:36

lechiffre55 · Yesterday 12:51

@WerewolfOfLoudon
Yes I believe there's a distinct possibility that the red flag document would either directly state, or give more than enough clues for someone to figure out it's a man. I'm taking intent into account here, and if they are disclosing red flags to avoid bad situations. In my opinion there's a very high chance they are also up front about being trans.

The polycule insist they are "real" women. Absolutely none of them will declare they are male.

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 13:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 11:34

No one is going to think he’s a woman.

Tbf, I think that the document is more about the polly put the kettle on stuff than about the trans.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 14:28

BettyJoanPerske · Yesterday 13:43

Tbf, I think that the document is more about the polly put the kettle on stuff than about the trans.

Yes, I imagine so.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 14:29

Perhaps he could post it online, so those interested that think they might have a chance can get in touch?

Wadsworthy · Yesterday 14:35

The police will question and arrest those who agree but let the actual rapists and pedophiles (especially the transwomen) walk free.

And let's remember that the rate of sexual offending by trans-identified men is the same as for men.

murasaki · Yesterday 14:41

Wadsworthy · Yesterday 14:35

The police will question and arrest those who agree but let the actual rapists and pedophiles (especially the transwomen) walk free.

And let's remember that the rate of sexual offending by trans-identified men is the same as for men.

It's higher of you look at the imprisoned percentages. Obviously that's only for the jailed ones but a higher percentage of jailed TiMs are in there for sexual crimes than other men are.

Wadsworthy · Yesterday 14:46

You would think LW would have some sort of “vexatious complainant” tag across police forces by now, but limited co-ordination is not surprising. Our public institutions have some distance to perfecting information sharing.

There being no efficient sharing of information which protects the public was part of how the vile murderer Ian Huntley managed to keep on getting jobs which allowed him contact with young girls.

The point you make was made widely then. Looks like nothing much has changed.

UtopiaPlanitia · Yesterday 15:41

anyolddinosaur · Yesterday 08:41

"Warning off a journalist" could mean reminding them of the laws about libel and harassment. That is not some sort of restriction on free speech. If the journalist was doing nothing wrong they carry on.

Some further info on the case included in an article by Stephen Daisley:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/08/05/police-dont-deserve-our-support-or-money/

'Some wonder whether policing, like so many institutions in Britain’s national life, is now intractably captured and politicised. Where before they would have happily endorsed calls for increased investment, they question whether it is in their interests that an organisation that appears hostile towards people like them be given more of their money.

The revelation that a journalist was not only investigated by officers but ordered not to contact the subject of his story will only inflate the numbers feeling this way.

It does not matter that no action was taken against Grove in the end. The very fact that the Metropolitan Police spent four months investigating a journalist for his reporting activities, the fact that seemingly no one involved realised how thoroughly disgraceful the very existence of such an investigation was, is proof that Scotland Yard has badly lost its way.

It is no exaggeration to say that the Met’s conduct in this matter was an open assault by the police on the freedom of the press. Had a similar investigation taken place in most other Western democracies, the commissioner would be clearing his desk right now.
Britain’s tradition is one of policing by consent, but consent requires trust, and trust is crumbling. While that continues to be ignored, and police continue to err as seriously as they did in this case, policing edges ever closer to a crisis of legitimacy.'

KTheGrey · Yesterday 15:54

Wadsworthy · Yesterday 14:46

You would think LW would have some sort of “vexatious complainant” tag across police forces by now, but limited co-ordination is not surprising. Our public institutions have some distance to perfecting information sharing.

There being no efficient sharing of information which protects the public was part of how the vile murderer Ian Huntley managed to keep on getting jobs which allowed him contact with young girls.

The point you make was made widely then. Looks like nothing much has changed.

Efficient communication is consistently a problem - most noticeably in cases of abused children. Communication is poor both between institutions (schools/social care/police/health) and within them (different police forces).

I speculate that data protection and refusal to accept Palantir and ID cards etc are holding it back, but otoh nobody is putting all these things together 🤷🏻‍♀️