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SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 03/09/2026 11:33

Seems difficult to align some of the messaging

The Cass Review concluded that social transition in childhood and adolescence is an active psychological intervention rather than a neutral act

But also

Its impact assessment says abuse may include conduct that “degrades or manipulates an individual”, or controls their movements or finances, whether alone or in combination

Who gets to decide if an 'active psychological intervention' actually 'manipulates an individual'?

Wishesandhorses · 03/09/2026 14:08

The bottom line is that most professionals will change policies and avoid at all costs working with someone who has a gender issue anywhere in their needs. To be fair, it's going to be pretty stupid to do otherwise. Who'll lose out?

Well that would be trans people in need of care and services.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 03/09/2026 14:49

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 03/09/2026 10:20

Therapists and social workers are speaking out against the Draft Conversion Practices Bill:

Safeguarding must come first
Safeguarding must come first | TERF Times

The Draft Conversion Practices Bill risks forcing social workers to enforce unevidenced beliefs rather than exercise professional judgement, writes EBSWA chair Maggie Mellon

At the Evidence-Based Social Work Alliance, we believe that policy on sex and gender must be grounded in evidence. That is why we oppose the Conversion Practices Bill, which rests on a sweeping and unevidenced assumption: that every person, including every child, possesses a “gender identity” which may differ from their sex, and that failing to affirm it can cause harm.

Yet “gender identity” is defined neither in the Bill nor elsewhere in law, and the conduct it seeks to criminalise remains unclear. Its impact assessment says abuse may include conduct that “degrades or manipulates an individual”, or controls their movements or finances, whether alone or in combination. If enacted, these vague provisions could criminalise basic professional practice....

Terf Times, 1 September 2026

Thanks for the link, how widespread is the support for the Evidence-Based Social Work Alliance, because that's one profession that seems to be completely corrupted by this ideology.
Given that they are the ones who deal with vulnerable children all the time, the fact that so many social workers are genderist's has always been alarming.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 03/09/2026 18:21

Possibly not exactly the right place to post this, because seems to be purely about Scotland and not the UK government's Draft Bill, and so far I have no other context. Perhaps someone in the know can fill us in? Is this significant?

From Stonewall today:

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/stonewall-responds-to-the-scottish-governments-renewed-programme-for-government

Stonewall responds to the Scottish Government's renewed programme for Government

At a time when LGBTQ+ rights are under threat and we are in a significant period of turbulence and hostility, it is essential that all governments across the UK work to advance LGBTQ+ equality. We welcome the Scottish Government's renewed commitment to ending conversion practices in their Programme for Government.

Governments now need to move at pace to ensure robust and effective legislation to ban conversion practices is brought forward. It is vital that concerns from LGBTQ+ people from all parts of the UK are heard and addressed in the legislative process. [my bold]

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Stonewall responds to the Scottish Government's renewed programme for…

At a time when LGBTQ+ rights are under threat and we are in a significant period of turbulence and hostility, it is essential that all governments across…

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/stonewall-responds-to-the-scottish-governments-renewed-programme-for-government

fanOfBen · 04/09/2026 10:29

Swinney said something about being committed to ending conversion in conjunction with the other UK governments, or if necessary by introducing a Scottish bill. Sounds as though Stonewall are choosing to spin this positively. Here's the Scottish Greens' negative spin
https://greens.scot/news/pfg-greens-slam-unacceptable-watering-down-of-conversion-practice-ban

And here's the official page (btw does anyone else have the problem of being unable to type a colon into a mumsnet window, despite there being no problem in other tabs of the same browser? it's weird)
https://www.gov.scot/policies/lgbti/ending-conversion-practices/

I think, on the whole, there's nothing to worry about here for now.

Ending conversion practices

Information about Scottish Government work to protect people from the harm of conversion practices.

https://www.gov.scot/policies/lgbti/ending-conversion-practices/

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 04/09/2026 11:31

fanOfBen · 04/09/2026 10:29

Swinney said something about being committed to ending conversion in conjunction with the other UK governments, or if necessary by introducing a Scottish bill. Sounds as though Stonewall are choosing to spin this positively. Here's the Scottish Greens' negative spin
https://greens.scot/news/pfg-greens-slam-unacceptable-watering-down-of-conversion-practice-ban

And here's the official page (btw does anyone else have the problem of being unable to type a colon into a mumsnet window, despite there being no problem in other tabs of the same browser? it's weird)
https://www.gov.scot/policies/lgbti/ending-conversion-practices/

I think, on the whole, there's nothing to worry about here for now.

Well if the this load of cobblers is true then good on the Scottish government (for a change).
All those words and not one of them shows how this bill is necessary, they need to start proving that all this 'conversion' is going on before they get on their high horse about banning non existing events.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 04/09/2026 13:21

fanOfBen · 04/09/2026 10:29

Swinney said something about being committed to ending conversion in conjunction with the other UK governments, or if necessary by introducing a Scottish bill. Sounds as though Stonewall are choosing to spin this positively. Here's the Scottish Greens' negative spin
https://greens.scot/news/pfg-greens-slam-unacceptable-watering-down-of-conversion-practice-ban

And here's the official page (btw does anyone else have the problem of being unable to type a colon into a mumsnet window, despite there being no problem in other tabs of the same browser? it's weird)
https://www.gov.scot/policies/lgbti/ending-conversion-practices/

I think, on the whole, there's nothing to worry about here for now.

Thanks for all that! Looks as though the last real push was the consultation from Jan 2024, so, as you say, probably Stonewall looking for things to make public statements about, and running with the "nothing."

Well, I suppose we'll see eventually if they plan to take it further.

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