Burnham - does he know what a woman is?

[Dragonasaurus]

Just that really - we’ve had Starmer prevaricating, fence sitting, “most women don’t have a penis” in fact women don’t have a penis’ but somehow I’m going to let Phillipson sit on the guidance which would ensure women’s single sex spaces (some of them anyway)…..

Would Burnham be any better? Does anyone know what his position is?

Perhaps not. Perhaps he thinks he is a woman given his utter confidence in pronouncing on what women want. It’s hard to see another explanation for a man presenting women’s views in such a strident way.

The plumber seems moderate by Reform standards and I expect he will win the seat.

I hope so. I’m not a Reform supporter. I’m a Labour voter of 30 years. The hubris of Andy Burnham has finished me off. I’m done with Labour now.

He should have a look at my toilet report. He’d change his mind.

Given Lib Dems, Labour and Greens all think women should give up their rights to privacy, dignity and safety in sexed spaces - and Reform want to do the opposite, I am always curious about why people say things like "be fucking ruinous for most people, and sadly mainly women." What part of their policies do you think will hurt women, more than allowing men into female hospital wards and then assault them, or men into women's changing rooms, and then assault them.

As previously stated elsewhere, I am a single issue vote and not at all tribal, having been a Green and Labour member. I cannot see what you are driving at other than the old and very out dated notions of right and left and female rights. Labour is no friend of women, as we see from the views of the Prime minister in waiting.....

The authoritarian left seem to want women to put up and shut up.

Bell end.

Obviously all real and sensible women don't want privacy, dignity, access, and not to be the prop of some bloke in a frock as he explores his inner self in all its grotty glory.

And that's all he's managed to understand and take away from years ending in the SCJ.

Burnham’s a bloody shape shifter.

He’s been a Blairite, Brownite, Millibandite, Corbynite, insider, outsider, war-monger, pacifist!

He’s as authentic as whatever serves his purpose in the moment.

People say KS ‘flip flops’ - we ain’t seen nothing yet!

And I’m a LP member.

The single fare bus cap is actually a national initiative organised I believe through the government and the bus companies. It used to be £2 for a single journey now the maximum is £3.

I wonder if he’d agree to meet female victims of violence and abuse and detransitioners to hear about their experiences. As he did the Hillsborough families.

Then he could break down in tears, roll up his sleeves and order a public inquiry into how the authorities (including him) ever went along with this for so long.

Or maybe he just won’t bother. 5k comments and counting on the Mail Online story, however, suggests he might want to give it a try.

Yes, here in Liverpool we have a truly awful Mayor in Steve Rotheram, and even he has managed to acquire a new fleet of hydrogen buses and cap the fares at £2.

Views from outside FWR:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5532198-is-andy-burnham-reasonable-to-say-only-a-small-minority-of-women-object-to-men-being-in-their-toilets

I honestly would wonder could he be trusted to actually change opinions and care, as opposed to perform a bit of politically expedient 'belief' and vague noises that might be interpreted as managing to give a fuck about women and children.

It's not as if these people aren't easily to be found and asked for their views and experiences if he'd ever wanted to find out the other half of the story or thought it was relevant to him.

Rather like on the relationships board - if you're in a bloody awful relationship, is it really, honestly salvageable if you manage to chase and corner a very reluctant partner into agreeing to listen to you a bit, and possibly agree to maybe do something about his behaviour and participation (if you do most of the work for him)? Or are you reliant on a partner who actually wants the relationship, wants things to be better, and is actively seeking to participate and repair where the problems are?

I watched the Burnham ad after Camilla and Tim reviewed it on the Daily T. It's pretty slickly made, but you get no sense of what Burnham would want to do as PM. It's him walking about like the Brilliant Kid on the Fast Show, monologuing about Thatcher and Hillsborough, and lots of locals going "eee it's that there Andy Burnham"

As they said on the podcast it's very Reform vibes, and I suppose it's effective if you believe he's a champion of the left behind areas against the Westminster class.

I kind of hope the plumber wins because he would make an interesting double act with Hannah Spencer, and accelerate the transformation of Manchester politics into Super Mario Bros.

6k comments on the Mail Online!

And a poll to do 🤓

Can you get it in front of him? Maybe through someone in the constituency

Hence a Blairite, a Brownite and a Corbynite walk into a bar and the barman says "Evening, Andy".

I will offer if he wants. It’s a bit long for a quick read when you’re busy. I think the picture I always post sums it up and it seems to be taking off on X so maybe he will reflect on what it actually means design-wise for health and safety if all toilets were in a mixed sex environment.

As usual, it’s hit when I am really busy today to deal with campaigning, but I hope there’s a ‘sunlight’ moment for people.

Is the report published online? I might be able to get the link in front of people who do know Andy...

Also in the Times:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/e7a64925-b21e-4e3d-ada1-598f6f39a5a5?shareToken=ca7159c54fe0d86b5e7aa057c324501f&ver=article

Excellent!

Bloody hell, the six of us and our socks have been busy.

😂

2022 isn't exactly a million years ago. Obviously, he needs to be pressed on this.

Tell me you work for his office without telling me you work for his office.

"Greater Manchester is home to 2.8 million wonderfully diverse people. But over 500,000 are out of work, 137,000 are long-term sick, and 490,000 live in absolute poverty. Food bank usage is soaring, and mental health issues are on the rise.

innovative and exciting??
Have the numbers gone down?

“Toilets” do matter especially when you think of girls at school, and women at work.
What does he think the Darlington nurses issue was about, and Sandi Peggie’s?

And important though that issue really is, that is just the tip of a most massive iceberg with children being trans brainwashed, and maimed at the bottom very widest part, and women being stamped over in all sorts of ways in the wide middle.

How very shallow and smug of him to utter a word if that’s all he can think of to say.