feminism or transphobia?

[giraffezoo]

Long time lurker of this forum, first time poster.

I have read through many of the threads on here and I have to say there are lots of views that I find quite shocking.

There almost seems to be two sides of the ‘gender critical’ movement on here that I can see.

The first seems quite reasonable. They wish to have protections in place for women and their rights. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree (e.g. trans folk in toilets, transgender prisoners etc) they are stating a view based on safety and women’s rights.

The second bunch are the ones who I find myself disagreeing with, and who post things that I personally consider as transphobic. Some examples of this would be: refusing to use someone’s pronouns or citing being transgender as a mental illness which needs to be cured.

I feel that the first group are genuinely feminists who are concerned with women’s rights, and feel as though they need to speak out on their own concerns. The second group are masquerading under the pretence of feminism to say hateful or controversial things.

I am interested to hear other views on this point (and I’m sure there will be a lot here who don’t agree with me!)

I don’t see posters routinely suggesting they aren’t impacted by sexism or capitalism. Maybe you could provide some examples.

And that still doesn’t explain why such an apparently ardent opponent of sexism and capitalism has bought in to a sexist and capitalist ideology.

You accused a well known and thoughtful poster here of using AI, didn’t you?

Go to the guys thread about gi being innate. Post after post of women saying no gender stereotypes don’t impact me. Even if you’re immune, the system around you isn’t and if you use that system, you’re impacted.

Yes. And?

A lot less than I’ve been accused of by that poster

The way you posted implied that no one else on this board was aware of bias within AI.

This is because your opinions have been presented in a muddled way and, when questioned, you have been unable to explain or defend them. Step back, take a break.

Well from the reaction to me calling it the Orwellian thought police you all seemed rather uninformed

I guess from your mistake with Catiette’s post, no one is taking you for any kind of authority on AI 🤷‍♀️

Because we must do what matallan says or we won't be given jobs, won't have friends and won't be in the cool mums club.

Obviously this is both thoroughly democratic and legal. Cos they say so because they understand the issues better than us.

this is happening because you guys keep accusing me of stuff I then have to defend against. So of course my arguments seem muddled because I keep going off on tangents that have nothing to do with my points.

I swear this poster doesn't read their own posts!

You don’t. And you will be given jobs. But just not at places that require you to present neutrally when it comes to political beliefs. Whether that’s fair or not is another question but you cannot deny this. Look at the boards of people losing their jobs over this. People are too scared of tribunals so they’ll just make up another reason not to hire. Is that fair? No. Is it happening? Yes.

I don’t think you read my posts tbh

That's because you have a completely incoherent argument and we keep finding those holes and you don't like it and can't admit it because if you did youd have to admit you were wrong all along.

Language matters mate.

You are hilariously own goaling after own goaling.

Oh I read them and laugh because they are full of utter nonsense and you are six years behind the rest of the world.

My points were I don’t like mocking behaviours. Morally I know where that line is. I have defended this via lemon gate. I don’t think I was proven to be wrong there? This is why I don’t think you actually read my posts

In what sense am I six years behind the real world?

Using wrong sex pronouns isn't a neutral act. That is perhaps the nub of your misunderstanding of our position

No but avoiding them entirely and using you or they is

It's not about morality. It's about reality.

Morally biology shouldn't be such a bitch but it is. Sucks.

Sex still isn't gender. Gender is still sexist tripe.

And it exists unfortunately whether you like it or not, and it impacts you every day, whether you like it or not.
and that is my argument in a nutshell

Some of us do that irl, some of us don't

Pronouns are not the same as personal names, they are lingusitic and social tools used by other people. They do not belong to an individual. They are referential.

It may feel like an attack as there are a lot of posters responding to you but we are just doing the same as you and defending our position.