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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #61

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nauticant · 08/01/2026 19:40

Judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6936ce28a6fc97b81e57436a/S_Peggie_v_Fife_Health_Board__Dr_Upton.pdf

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

Following handing down of the judgment on 8 December 2025, on 11 December 2025, it was announced by Sandie Peggie and her legal team that they would be pursuing an appeal.

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 60: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5461133-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-60 16 December 2025 to 8 January 2026

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NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 21:06

KnottyAuty · Yesterday 20:59

If you’re prepared to say aloud and under oath that you don’t know what sex you are, then unfortunately you have to expect derision. Her best plan will be to get married and name change…

I think Bumba is her married name. So the plan needs to be amended!

KnottyAuty · Yesterday 21:13

NoWordForFluffy · Yesterday 21:06

I think Bumba is her married name. So the plan needs to be amended!

lol!
maybe mr or mrs Bumba will be keen to move on from such an infamous name?!

Peregrina · Today 10:44

What is the FT salary for a nurse of Sandie Peggie's grade?

PrettyDamnCosmic · Today 10:49

Peregrina · Today 10:44

What is the FT salary for a nurse of Sandie Peggie's grade?

What is the FT salary for a nurse of Sandie Peggie's grade?

The salary for a Band 5 nurse like Sandie is £32,073-£39,043 plus an uplift on the hourly rate for out of hours work like weekends & nights. Sandie with her years of experience will be at the top end of the range.

SwirlyGates · Today 11:32

MyAmpleSheep · Yesterday 20:45

£50-59k per year, if anyone is curious.

Shocking. £50k a year for someone who either a) genuinely doesn't know what sex she is, or b) is prepared to lie under oath.

NebulousSadTimes · Today 11:39

And paid so much more than someone who is actually doing a worthwhile job. Make it make sense.

SqueakyDinosaur · Today 11:47

I had to go for a hospital appointment yesterday and I was struck by how few "doers" there seemed to be. E.g. there were more unstaffed than staffed reception desks, with long queues; the bloods clinic only had 2 phlebotomists on duty, despite there being 8 stations and loads of people waiting. And this was a huge London teaching hospital and centre of clinical excellence for all sorts of things.

I'm not a kneejerk "sack all the administrators" type but I really do think things are out of whack.

lcakethereforeIam · Today 12:17

I've got a little sympathy for Isla Bumba as well as some curiosity as to what the Bumba tartan would look like. Not for what she said on the witness stand, most of which seems risible nonsense. The policy though, she copied what all the other NHS trusts had, some still have. With such a consensus it would have taken an extraordinary person, one worthy of that wage, to go their own way and follow the law. Prior to FWS going to the SC even the judges at the lower courts thought tp, particularly those with a GRC, had rights they didn't have.

KnottyAuty · Today 13:15

lcakethereforeIam · Today 12:17

I've got a little sympathy for Isla Bumba as well as some curiosity as to what the Bumba tartan would look like. Not for what she said on the witness stand, most of which seems risible nonsense. The policy though, she copied what all the other NHS trusts had, some still have. With such a consensus it would have taken an extraordinary person, one worthy of that wage, to go their own way and follow the law. Prior to FWS going to the SC even the judges at the lower courts thought tp, particularly those with a GRC, had rights they didn't have.

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Agreed - at the time of writing the policy - but then not to reflect or be able to remain neutral like the other HR person (sorry I can’t remember her name but the one who reviewed the suspension and tried to get SP back to work). To turn up at a tribunal and not having any hesitation about this highly controversial and contested subject… that was the unforgivable bit. Making a mistake is ok - refusing to admit it not

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