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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Do you exist IRL?

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EdgeOfThirtySeven · 04/01/2026 17:11

It's just that I see so many TRAs stating that "nobody IRL cares about this stuff", so maybe we just all exist on Twitter/X and Mumsnet? Sort of disembodied AI? Not actual women in actual buildings, doing actual jobs and leading actual lives?

When Katy Colin Montgomery briefly returned to Twitter/X for his drunken pre- and post-Christmas rants, they centered on the idea that:

Man it's so weird looking at twitter and seeing GCs still going on and on about their nonsense ideology. Literally no one irl thinks about trans people at all. No one cares. If they got a hobby they'd be cured of their relentless insanity in an instant

...

Obviously I've not posted for ages because of, you know, the nazis and the bots and how authoritarian Elon has even censored the word cîs. But there's one thing I wanted to say: Gender Critical isn't real. No one irl gives a fuck AT ALL

I'm pretty sure that I exist IRL. My dog certainly relies on that. Oh, and my loving family, and friends 😆

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RoastOrMash · 05/01/2026 14:45

Re "nobody IRL cares about this stuff", seems to be contradicted by FOI with Supreme Court re viewing figures for FWS:
FOI disclosure 2024 - UK Supreme Court
~19,200 for FWS versus 579 average

FOI disclosure 2024 - UK Supreme Court

FOI disclosure 2024

https://supremecourt.uk/corporate-information/foi/2024

EdgeOfThirtySeven · 05/01/2026 15:03

RoastOrMash · 05/01/2026 14:45

Re "nobody IRL cares about this stuff", seems to be contradicted by FOI with Supreme Court re viewing figures for FWS:
FOI disclosure 2024 - UK Supreme Court
~19,200 for FWS versus 579 average

Also, of course:

Your most-read stories of 2025

1. UK Supreme Court ruling

Image source,PA Media

The Supreme Court case follows years of legal arguments over the definition of a woman under the law

In April, a UK Supreme Court marked the culmination of a long-running legal battle over the definition of a woman under equalities law.

Judges unanimously ruled that a woman is defined by biological sex, siding with campaign group For Women Scotland.

The group had brought a case against the Scottish government arguing that sex-based protections for women should only apply to those that are born female.

Judge Lord Hodge said the ruling should not be seen as a triumph of one side over the other, and stressed that the law still gives protection against discrimination to transgender people.

But sure, Colin - NOBODY CARES IRL!!!

Your most-read stories of 2025 - BBC News

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borntobequiet · 05/01/2026 15:52

Helleofabore · 05/01/2026 13:44

I think posts such as Finch's is trying to overwhelm people with what they consider 'science'. It could be considered a 'flood the zone' attempt. It is not really a Gish gallop but the attempt was either to overwhelm people with so much evidence that surely people reading will think that Finch had a really good evidence base and must be right.

Or it was just meant to appear that way and to give posters who fully support gender identity theory some moral superiority if people didn't engage with the evidence presented.

The links that did work as expected though were not new to people on this board.

Not only that, but most of the links that worked were actually ideological and discussing identity from a philosophical perspective or a psychological perspective. It was almost like 'these identities exist'! was the argument.

Well, no shit Sherlock. We all know that some people claim to have these identities. The question that is relevant is why should that identity be prioritised above the materially real sex class aspects of humans when sex matters.

The links were a complete failure to engage with what that poster believes that 'GC' people are campaigning for.

I think posts such as Finch's is trying to overwhelm people with what they consider 'science'. It could be considered a 'flood the zone' attempt. It is not really a Gish gallop but the attempt was either to overwhelm people with so much evidence that surely people reading will think that Finch had a really good evidence base and must be right.

It also offered an ideal opportunity to scold people who responded with scepticism for not reading everything instantly, in a typically condescending tone.

EdgeOfThirtySeven · 05/01/2026 15:59

Maddy70 · 05/01/2026 11:57

I was quoting the poster ...

Literal genocide.

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Helleofabore · 05/01/2026 16:00

borntobequiet · 05/01/2026 15:52

I think posts such as Finch's is trying to overwhelm people with what they consider 'science'. It could be considered a 'flood the zone' attempt. It is not really a Gish gallop but the attempt was either to overwhelm people with so much evidence that surely people reading will think that Finch had a really good evidence base and must be right.

It also offered an ideal opportunity to scold people who responded with scepticism for not reading everything instantly, in a typically condescending tone.

"It also offered an ideal opportunity to scold people who responded with scepticism for not reading everything instantly, in a typically condescending tone."

I suspect you are right.

Catiette · 05/01/2026 21:40

Helleofabore · 05/01/2026 13:09

I am distracting myself from work...

But I must admit that I was curious after the Fausto link went to a mouse liver study, I thought, WTAF so started checking. It was not very long because most of the links were dead or went elsewhere. And the rest were not engaging with what the poster is denouncing over two threads at the moment.

after the Fausto link went to a mouse liver study

I mean we keep saying "you couldn't make it up" in response to this stuff, and run a pub of dancing gerbils, but still the visitors manage to surprise us.

EdgeOfThirtySeven · 05/01/2026 22:00

He's deleted his rants on X now. So glad we saved a couple of posts for posterity 😁

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Helleofabore · 06/01/2026 16:06

Well ... Maybe I don't exist in real life.

Between men like this and Alex Drummond, I think I am definitely a man now. I was fixing my car and then putting on make up and going to formal dinners as a teenager, Alex. And Jenifer.... I too grew up where a shovel was used by all my family. I actually have three all of my own to do 'ground work'....

What next? I must be a man because I can also do excellent painting and decorating, I own saws, a mattock and an axe, I can mend fences? Because this approach is bonkers. That they are 'women' broadening the bandwidth and going where no woman has gone before is just bonkers.

These men are so misogynistic that it really defies belief.

https://x.com/JebraFaushay/status/2008238145251197341?s=20

Dr. Jebra Faushay (@JebraFaushay) on X

Meet Jennifer, an artist who is taking art to a whole other level of innovation. Imagine if you will, a shovel wrapped in floral paper. That's right. Allow your mind to be blown.

https://x.com/JebraFaushay/status/2008238145251197341?s=20

MelOfTheRoses · 06/01/2026 16:14

They exist in a parallel universe.

If you use your femininely floral wrapped shovel, all the paper will come off and it will be an ordinary shovel with annoying bits of paper all over it.

Helleofabore · 06/01/2026 16:19

MelOfTheRoses · 06/01/2026 16:14

They exist in a parallel universe.

If you use your femininely floral wrapped shovel, all the paper will come off and it will be an ordinary shovel with annoying bits of paper all over it.

yep. Ain't that the truth....

ArabellaSaurus · 06/01/2026 16:44

EdgeOfThirtySeven · 05/01/2026 15:03

Also, of course:

Your most-read stories of 2025

1. UK Supreme Court ruling

Image source,PA Media

The Supreme Court case follows years of legal arguments over the definition of a woman under the law

In April, a UK Supreme Court marked the culmination of a long-running legal battle over the definition of a woman under equalities law.

Judges unanimously ruled that a woman is defined by biological sex, siding with campaign group For Women Scotland.

The group had brought a case against the Scottish government arguing that sex-based protections for women should only apply to those that are born female.

Judge Lord Hodge said the ruling should not be seen as a triumph of one side over the other, and stressed that the law still gives protection against discrimination to transgender people.

But sure, Colin - NOBODY CARES IRL!!!

Your most-read stories of 2025 - BBC News

Crikey!

ArabellaSaurus · 06/01/2026 16:45

Helleofabore · 06/01/2026 16:06

Well ... Maybe I don't exist in real life.

Between men like this and Alex Drummond, I think I am definitely a man now. I was fixing my car and then putting on make up and going to formal dinners as a teenager, Alex. And Jenifer.... I too grew up where a shovel was used by all my family. I actually have three all of my own to do 'ground work'....

What next? I must be a man because I can also do excellent painting and decorating, I own saws, a mattock and an axe, I can mend fences? Because this approach is bonkers. That they are 'women' broadening the bandwidth and going where no woman has gone before is just bonkers.

These men are so misogynistic that it really defies belief.

https://x.com/JebraFaushay/status/2008238145251197341?s=20

I'm a man because I don't ostentatiously twiddle with my fucking hair like a twit.

BezMills · 06/01/2026 16:50

I got my first and possibly only Man Point of the year today, when I gave a crossfitter a jump start after the gym.

Okay so she used her own leads and did the actual connections, and we were supervised by a more manny man. But I knew how to open my bonnet and where my battery was, so I'm claiming my Man Point!

Helleofabore · 06/01/2026 16:52

ArabellaSaurus · 06/01/2026 16:45

I'm a man because I don't ostentatiously twiddle with my fucking hair like a twit.

Thoughts and prayers Arabella.

Helleofabore · 06/01/2026 16:53

BezMills · 06/01/2026 16:50

I got my first and possibly only Man Point of the year today, when I gave a crossfitter a jump start after the gym.

Okay so she used her own leads and did the actual connections, and we were supervised by a more manny man. But I knew how to open my bonnet and where my battery was, so I'm claiming my Man Point!

Ahhh.. Bez! Welcome to the club! I used to be able to push start (or roll down the hill start) but those were the days...

ArabellaSaurus · 06/01/2026 17:03

BezMills · 06/01/2026 16:50

I got my first and possibly only Man Point of the year today, when I gave a crossfitter a jump start after the gym.

Okay so she used her own leads and did the actual connections, and we were supervised by a more manny man. But I knew how to open my bonnet and where my battery was, so I'm claiming my Man Point!

supervised by a more manny man

😂

I hadn't realised we'd moved to a points based system. I think I'm in deficit in both counts. Does non-binary equate to a gender overdraft?

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 06/01/2026 17:11

MelOfTheRoses · 06/01/2026 16:14

They exist in a parallel universe.

If you use your femininely floral wrapped shovel, all the paper will come off and it will be an ordinary shovel with annoying bits of paper all over it.

Use it?
Oh no my dear, we don't do that, we prop it up and look at it, preferably next to a picture of some kittens by a window where a real manly mannity manny man can be seen doing the garden.

NotAtMyAge · 06/01/2026 17:32

QuickJadeFinch · 05/01/2026 10:36

Since you clearly have an open, inquisitive and intellectually curious mind, here's a short list of relevant reading material for you to ponder:

Core Peer-Reviewed Papers on Non-Binary / Multi-Gender Identities
Richards et al. (2016) – Non-binary or genderqueer genders
International Review of Psychiatry
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26753630/
doi.org/10.3109/09540261.2015.1106446
Schudson & Morgenroth (2022) – Nonbinary gender identities
Current Opinion in Psychology
www.sciencedirect.com/.../pii/S2352250X22002202
doi.org/10.1016/j.copsyc.2022.101324
James et al. (2016) – The Report of the U.S. Transgender Survey
(Nationally representative dataset; includes non-binary genders)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6830994/
Whyte, Brooks & Torgler (2018) – Man, woman, “other”
Archives of Sexual Behavior
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-018-1261-2
doi.org/10.1007/s10508-018-1261-2
Clark et al. (2018) – Identities beyond the binary
Journal of Adolescent Health
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352250X22002202
doi.org/10.1016/j.jadohealth.2018.03.027
Systematic Reviews & Meta-Analyses
Scandurra et al. (2019) – Health of non-binary and genderqueer people: A systematic review
International Journal of Transgenderism
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31293486/
doi.org/10.1080/15532739.2019.1652120
Lefevor et al. (2023) – Mental health disparities among non-binary individuals
Clinical Psychology Review
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39385290/
doi.org/10.1016/j.cpr.2023.102222
McNeil et al. (2021) – Experiences of non-binary people in healthcare
BMJ Open
bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/7/e046872
doi.org/10.1136/bmjopen-2020-046872
Quantitative & Qualitative Empirical Studies
Hyde et al. (2019) – Gender nonconformity and identity diversity
American Psychologist
psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-17415-001
doi.org/10.1037/amp0000307
Thorne et al. (2018) – Gender diversity in childhood and adolescence
Journal of Adolescent Research
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0743558418761994
Barr et al. (2016) – Gender as a continuum
Sex Roles
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-015-0569-1
doi.org/10.1007/s11199-015-0569-1
Measurement & Methodology Research (Important Scientifically)
Westbrook & Saperstein (2015) – New categories are not enough
Gender & Society
journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0891243215584758
Morgenroth & Ryan (2020) – The effects of gender identification beyond the binary
European Journal of Social Psychology
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.2673
Lindqvist et al. (2021) – Gender beyond the binary: Measurement and classification
Psychology & Sexuality
www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19419899.2020.1729847
Neuroscience, Development & Biological Context (Clarifying Sex vs Gender)
Joel et al. (2015) – Sex beyond the genitalia
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS)
www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1509654112
Fausto-Sterling (2012) – The dynamic development of sex and gender
Biology of Sex Differences
bsd.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2042-6410-3-9
Major Peer-Reviewed Journals Publishing Ongoing Research
(All peer-reviewed)
Archives of Sexual Behavior
link.springer.com/journal/10508
International Journal of Transgender Health
www.tandfonline.com/toc/wijt21/current
Gender & Society
journals.sagepub.com/home/gas
Current Opinion in Psychology
https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/current-opinion-in-psychology

I grew out of fairy stories about hidden identities and magical transformations when I was about six. I'm surprised you haven't.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 06/01/2026 17:38

Iamnotalemming · 05/01/2026 00:11

I LOL'd at "gender critical isn't real".
What a berk.

'Berk' needs to be brought back. Its a great insult.

Helleofabore · 06/01/2026 17:46

I noticed that finch did not come back and explain the failings of their post on either thread they posted it on....

JanesLittleGirl · 06/01/2026 18:01

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 06/01/2026 17:38

'Berk' needs to be brought back. Its a great insult.

It's Cockney rhyming slang. Berkshire Hunt - something that rhymes with 'Hunt'.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 06/01/2026 18:08

JanesLittleGirl · 06/01/2026 18:01

It's Cockney rhyming slang. Berkshire Hunt - something that rhymes with 'Hunt'.

I had heard that...but wouldn't it be pronounced 'bark' in that case? 🤔

spannasaurus · 06/01/2026 18:11

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 06/01/2026 18:08

I had heard that...but wouldn't it be pronounced 'bark' in that case? 🤔

I had the same thought about the pronunciation so I googled. It's the Berkeley Hunt not Berkshire

JanesLittleGirl · 06/01/2026 18:17

spannasaurus · 06/01/2026 18:11

I had the same thought about the pronunciation so I googled. It's the Berkeley Hunt not Berkshire

I stand corrected.

CassOle · 06/01/2026 18:44

Shovels are 'masculine coded'... huh... I have a huge suspicion that Jennifer - despite being a 'true and honest woman' (wink, wink) - has never been a pony mad girl. #SadTimes

Why are there so many untalented grifters in the arts?

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