NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #55

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to: [email protected]

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025
Thread 52: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403218-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-52 2 September 2025 to 4 September 2025
Thread 53: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53 3 September to 1 October 2025
Thread 54: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5418690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-54 from 28 September 2025

I used to love going to see Chris de Burgh live. #happy times But wow what a story about the castle!

I'm sorry; that sounded totally sidey, and it wasn't meant to be. That was the most amateur hotel in the entire world, I think. For instance, if you wanted a drink you went into the study where the bar was, helped yourself and wrote what you'd taken in a book that lived on the bar. And the castle was in a state of almost-repair; nobody was allowed up the tower until it had been made safe. And the cellar was full of dark oak panelling stacked against the walls waiting to be fixed somewhere upstairs, and was the only place there was room for the billiard table, on which Chris's brother Richard taught me how to play billiards. And when it looked like rain and the harvest not yet in, an "all hands!" was called and everyone, guests, hosts and all, rushed out to the fields to help a local farmer.

Ok @Dancingsquirrels

I had to actually listen to the song so not sure each line has the requesite number of sylables. I kept the chorus in same wording and added another verse. It is in my lunch hour so I had the time.

Upton the Magic Laydee

Upton, the magic laydee loved trans-ideology,
And frolicked in the changing rooms because of Self-ID,
Little enabling mysognists swallowed all his guff
They don't know his chromosones or sex, all sort of bonkers stuff

Oh Upton, the magic laydee loved trans-ideology,
And frolicked in the changing rooms because of Self-ID,
Upton, the magic laydee loved trans-ideology,
And frolicked in the changing rooms because of Self-ID

Together they would travel to a Tribunal bound to fail
'Wall of Sad' kept a lookout since it was obvious Upton was male
Noble fools like Isla Bumba would comply whenever pronouns came
The believers would nod their heads when Upton roared out his laydee name

Oh Upton, the magic laydee loved trans-ideology,
And frolicked in the changing rooms because of Self-ID,
Upton, the magic laydee loved trans-ideology,
And frolicked in the changing rooms because of Self-ID

A woman lives forever, but not so little boys
Painted lips and your wife's dresses make for better toys
One gray night it happened, Theodore was no more
Dr Upton that mighty 6 foot man, he ceased his deep voiced roar

In the changing room, head bent in sorrow, exposing whispy mane
Sandie Peggie foiled his laydee plot, and soon became his bane
Without everyone pretending, Upton could not be brave
So Peggie was investigated, a witch hunt NHS Fife did crave

Oh Upton, the magic laydee loved trans-ideology,
And frolicked in the changing rooms because of Self-ID,
Upton, the magic laydee loved trans-ideology,
And frolicked in the changing rooms because of Self-ID

Naomi & Elves to the rescue, in finest form each day
Mumsnet wanted justice, on their knees did pray
Judge Sondee knows his onions, Fifer he can tell.
A judgement is soon to come, quare & imminent as well.

Oh Upton, the magic laydee loved trans-ideology,
And frolicked in the changing rooms because of Self-ID,
Upton, the magic laydee loved trans-ideology,
And frolicked in the changing rooms because of Self-ID

Very clever, SexRealismBeliefs!👏

Hilarious, though I am anxious that we have too much faith in the Big Man

One change. Upton has 2 syllables to Puff's 1, which throws the whole thing out. 'Upton, who's a laydee,' instead of 'Upton, the magic laydee' gets it back into line.

I am loath to throw out magic laydee since Puff was a magic dragon.... there's a nice symmetry in it

Upton, the magic lass
Upton, magic laydee
Upton, magic damsel

I mean this is a skill I do not need for IRL but its quite amusing to try it....

Lass drops the syllable in an awkward place in the tune. Losing 'the' works better. Or Beth instead of Upton.

@SexRealismBeliefs @ProfessorBinturong

Thank you both so much ! I love this. Genius. Can't believe @SexRealismBeliefs did all that in an hour

Beth the magic laydee has a great ring to it

Glad you are in the home-recovery part of the ordeal MyrtleLion.

Ha - more like 10 mins. I clearly know too much about this trial.

Or for emphasis “now in a minute, in a minute now”

I see the appeal against UCU for Adulr Human Female is to go ahead. Is that why NC was in Scotland last week? We’ll soon be unable to remember which is which, just hope she can!

There are a couple of trans people, one of whom is Samantha Tempest, the other was granted anonymity, who are taking their employers (Defra and its ALBs) to court for allowing SEEN to exist, along with some of their colleagues who are/were co-chairs of the network. Possibly represented by a certain trans-identifying barrister.

I am not saying trans people aren't going to sue. But on the key grounds of FWS we are not seeing a wave of trans people wanting access to the loos. Perhaps when people start enforcing the law there might be more complainants.

Ah I get you ☺️

Trans people know what bloody sex they are they just do not think sex should take priority

Tick tock

Sorry if this has already been shared:

In my new and fairly niche hobby of reading ET judgements, I came across a massive payout to an employee of CDDT with Tracy Atkinson specially named in the write up:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6928326a9c1eda2cdf0341a3/Mr_F_Qureshi_v_County_Durham_and_Darlington_NHS_Foundayion_Trust_2501333-2024_Judgment.pdf

Similarly to Fife messing up all over the place, it seems that these trusts aren't just bad at genderwang, their incompetence has broad reach.

That's not a lot , net, in real life for a professional. It might be for an ET award.

It looks a lot in comparison to other awards.

I have nothing to draw on (except a bit too much time reading these things now!)

The July Press Release wan't a one-off either. Or even a four-off, if that was the number of iterations.

I just looked back to our Feb threads because I had a vague memory of an internal document from Carol Potter that covered at least some of the same material and I found this post by @IStandWithSandie:

IStandwithSandie · 18/02/2025 21:00

NHS Fife staff receive a monthly communication from the Chief Exec; this month’s (sent out yesterday) mentions the tribunal (copied & pasted excerpt below):

I want to take a moment to acknowledge the challenging period we are navigating as an organisation. The ongoing and highly publicised employment tribunal in recent weeks has understandably generated a great deal of interest and debate, both in the media and online.

With the hearing now being extended into July, I fully appreciate the impact this continued scrutiny is having on colleagues across NHS Fife.

For obvious reasons, we are unable to comment on legal proceedings. As a public sector body, we are bound by strict legal and ethical responsibilities, which means we cannot engage in public debate through blogs, media briefings, or social media. However, I want to reassure you that NHS Fife remains committed to fairness, integrity, and respect for all involved.

Much of what is reported in the media or discussed online does not reflect the full picture.

At the heart of this situation are valued members of NHS Fife staff and it is essential that they are treated with dignity, respect, and kindness.

As an organisation, we place our trust in the independent legal process and will await its ruling in due course.

Thanks for the memory jog.

Yes, I'm pretty sure I know who is 'valued' and 'treated with dignity, respect and kindness' in this situation...

So Carol Potter and NHS Fife couldn’t possibly comment, until they did?

I wish there was a mole in NHS Fife A&E leaking gossip about who no longer speaks to who, what the reaction was to sackfuls of cards arriving addressed to Sandie, who’s off sick with stress after making a fool of themselves at the trial. That sort of thing. I hope someone had the wit to keep a diary (or contemporaneous notes on their phone) for a rainy day. I would have.