NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #55

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to: [email protected]

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025
Thread 52: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403218-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-52 2 September 2025 to 4 September 2025
Thread 53: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53 3 September to 1 October 2025
Thread 54: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5418690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-54 from 28 September 2025

My parents unwittingly adhered to The Way of Mrs Cosmopolite, particularly DM. At the time it was irritating but now I see the wisdom masquerading as madness. It made me more resilient because what choice did I have?

My mother's reply to a wail of 'But they all have them/are going there/' or similar complaint about not having the same clothes or going to the same events as classmates:
'And if they were all jumping in a lake, would you jump in too?.

I realise now that it was because we hadn't enough money for nice clothes and school trips, but it stuck with me and I've never felt the pull of 'following the crowd', I've always, even as a teenager, gone my own way.

However, the independent thinking thing backfired on my parents, as I also turned out to be an atheist and a lesbian = two lakes they would have preffered me to follow the crowd into

My dad's [Eastern European] name was habitually mangled and he once found himself booked into a women's ward at the Vic (Kirkcaldy) for a pre-arranged op. (His forename is definitely a man's name in his country of birth but is similar to a name sometimes used as a women's name elsewhere. Mind you, his records definitely stated that he was a man, so someone at the Vic clearly didn't read his file properly.

As I think I said on one of the other threads, dad was a 6ft coalminer. He merely laughed and told his named nurse that it wasn't a problem for him: "That's aa right love - just so long as A've got a bed!"

I wasn't there at the time, but my mother was. According to her, the nurse didn't seem to realise that Dad was joking and seemed horrified. The medical team had no difficulty in finding him a bed in the men's ward.

I don't want a lot for Christmas
There is just one thing I need
I don't care about the presents underneath the Christmas tree
I just want to know the score
Big Sond, what you waiting for?
Make my wish come true
All I want for Christmas is news

Yeah I don't want a lot for Christmas
There is just one thing I need (and I)
Don't care about the presents underneath the Christmas tree
I just need to hear that Sandie has been vindicated right
Naomi can make me happy if she wins this little fight
Women have a right to spaces
Free of gazey male faces
Make my wish come true
All I want for Christmas is news
News, baby

Oh, I won't ask for much this Christmas
Nowt from the EHRC (and I)
I'm just gonna keep on waiting
For some joy for S Peggie
I won't make a list and send it to the North Pole for Saint Nick
SC has already said my CR must be free of dick
But they're not so sure in Fife
Theo thinks he's someone's wife
WTF to do?
Oh, baby, all I want for Christmas is news
News, baby

Oh-oh, all the sunlight shone so brightly in the court (so brightly, baby)
When he said I'm not a robot, we did snort (oh, oh, yeah)
Biological clearly (oh, yeah)
But you're no woman dearie
Santa, won't you bring me the thing I really need? (Yeah, oh)
Won't you please bring some justice to Sandie?

Oh, I don't want a lot for Christmas
This is all I'm asking for
I just wanna see Doc Upton back inside the gents once more
Oh, I want justice for my own
More than you could ever know
Make my wish come true
Oh, baby, all I want for Christmas is news
News, baby
All I want for Christmas is news, baby
All I want for Christmas is news, baby....

@WearyAuldWumman your dads sounds like a legend 😍

"If you're looking for sympathy you'll find it between shit and syphilis."

I've not heard the term choob in such a long time. So funny - and so true! 🤣🤣

Was that your mum or your dad? 😂

I'll gladly take that.

Neither Upton nor Fife could take it to the ECHR.

There might be an absolutely miniscule chance Peggie could - if she could persuade them that NHS Fife is an arm of the British government.

'All want for Christmas is news' - genius, peakedtraybake 😁
And so sustained, you didn't just make it a one-liner, it's the whole song!👏

https://xkcd.com/1170/

Thank you, that looks very familiar, including the tortuous efforts to out-reason my mother with more and more elaborate what-ifs. Never worked😏

Both my names are constantly misspelled, Greenpeace misgendered me for all the years I was a member, and my mother used to call me by the cat's name at least as often as by mine. I should probably sue the lot of them.

Yeah, we’re from East London, it’s like a generic term from blokes here.

‘What’s happening mush’ etc

Both of them but mainly my dad.

Big Sond’s seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack advocates on fire off the Shoulder of Fingland. He’s watched c-list solicitors stumble in the dark near the Flodden Tower Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to judge.

I think young people's emotions are being medicalised as mental health problems.

Children and teenagers have a heck of a lot of emotions to deal with - anxiety about exams, about being liked, about pets dying, maybe even about loved-ones dying... and they need lots of love and support to get over all these hurdles.
Being sad or worried or confused or whatever are emotional issues that can in most cases be worked through, and giving the label of 'mental health problems' to a sad or anxious or confused young person is medicalising their emotional states.
It may also be overstretching the limited services that a small number of young people desperately need, because they do actually have mental health problems.

@peakedtraybake that is GENIUS!

Brilliant

I’ve turned to bleak poetry to cope.

This Be The Verse
By Philip Larkin

They fuck you up, the ‘transitioned’ lad,
They may not mean to, but they do
They fill you with the faults TRANS had
And add some ideology, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in Stonewall badges & dresses.
Who spent half the time ‘helping’ us learn
& the other half making legislative messes

TRANS hands on ideology to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t infect the kids yourself

My DH is peering through his hands trying and failing not to laugh, almost wetting himself with tears in his eyes. You may just have ruined Bladerunner for him. 🤣😂🤣

😂😂

That @SqueakyDinosaur started it tbf