"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread 3

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Link to Thread 1, 7-Oct to 23-Oct; pre-hearing discussion, evidence from KD (Day 1) and BH (Day 2).

Link to Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5432103-darlington-nurses-vs-county-durham-and-darlington-nhs-trust-tribunal-thread-2

Five nurses working at Darlington Memorial Hospital have filed a legal case suing their employer, an NHS trust, for sexual harassment and sex discrimination. The nurses object to sharing the women’s changing facilities with a male colleague, Rose, who identifies as female. The NHS trust’s HR department dismissed the nurses’ concerns, stating they should “broaden their mindset” and “be educated”. More details can be found at Sex Matters and at Christian Concern who are supporting the nurses via the CLC.
The hearing started on October 20th, with evidence starting on October 22nd and is scheduled to last 3 weeks. To view the hearing online, requests for access had to be made by October 17th. The hearing is being live tweeted by Tribunal Tweets who have background to this case on their substack. An alternative to X is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets
The Judge made clear at the start of the public hearing on Day 1 that only TT or press have permission to tweet. If online observers see/hear something in the court that isn’t reported by TT, we don’t mention it until the next time there’s a break. This is a very cautious approach to avoid any accusations of “live reporting” on MN. Commentary on the content of TT tweets is fine as soon as they’re posted on X.
Key people:
C/Ns - Claimants, the Darlington nurses
R/T/Trust - Respondent, County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
J/EJ – Judge/Employment Judge
NF - Niazi Fetto KC, barrister for claimants
SC - Simon Cheetham, KC, barrister for respondents
RH - Rose Henderson, trans identifying nurse
CG – Clare Gregory, ward manager
KD – Karen Danson, first claimant to give evidence.
BH – Bethany Hutchison, second claimant to give evidence
AH – Alistair Hutchison, husband of Bethany
Other abbreviations:
WFTCHTJ – Waiting For The Conference Host To Join
ET - Employment Tribunal
DMH/H – Hospital, Darlington Memorial Hospital
CR/CF - changing room or facilities
IX - internal investigation
XX – cross examination

It's like the Ents meeting in Lord of the Rings.

hahahhaha

Perhaps a meeting by the (G)ents would have made things quicker.

I think F&B should rename one of their burgundies 'Belligerence'.

😂😂😂

that should have taken no more than 30 minutes and perhaps another hour to write the report.

“Rose is a Transwoman therefore a male and he is indeed using the female CR. I have read the Trust policy on transition in the workplace which states that trans people get whatever they want whenever they want it so his use of the CR is in line with policy. No case to answer. Burn the witches but wait until after their legal action”.

When I read “ents meeting” I thought students’ union committee… also interminable and useless.

I think F&B should rename one of their burgundies 'Belligerence'.

Isn't that an aftershave?

They could call it Tribunal flush.

or "Bellicose Burgundy"

This made me laugh, tee hee. See also, burárum.

Another good thing about Tribunals: they give middle-aged men the chance to experience hot flushes😁

Or "Dawn of Realisation Crimson"

To truly experience living as a woman?

Just sounds to me like all the fannying about that occurred was initially about a policy they were struggling to justify.

they then spotted the imminent SC ruling so sat on their hands in the hope it would go their way.

or 'Ya burnt Sienna'

I wonder if they would all run around like this for a woman with a trans identity?

In all honesty it's not and never is a transperson issue, it is always a man issue. With binary sex based decisions made that somehow always subordinate and oppress women to the man. (And no one ever has any difficulty knowing which is which.)

FFS

Sits on hands

plumb

NF - I’m advising you h& s regulations changing facilities? Your understanding they required single sex for men and women. Did you make Ms Newton aware? AT - no

AT - Checking what the regulations meant in practice and the intention was to gather and discuss further.
NF - you understood this regulation was binding?
AT - yes

There's not a lot crosses his mind, I will say that.

He absolutely should have removed RH from the changing room, but the Workplace Regs aren’t relevant here. They’re about provision of facilities by an employer, they don’t deal with who uses them.

AT - Checking what the regulations meant in practice and the intention was to gather and discuss further

How hard is it, a simple sentence makes it clear, WTF are doing.

Deary deary me. AT effectively kicked the HS Regulations into the long grass and didn't incorporate his knowledge of them into the investigation. That is incredibly poor at best.

NF - wasn’t this directly relevant?
AT - not part of her briefing note for the investigation.
NF - TITWP policy made provision for people of one sex to make use of other facilities was under review. Was this relevant?

AT - to be honest it didn’t really cross my mind.
NF - you’ve interpreted the regulations.
AT - there’s an assumption here that everything I did was to cause harassment. That was never my intention.