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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread 2

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ThreeWordHarpy · 23/10/2025 14:17

Link to Thread 1, 7-Oct to 23-Oct; pre-hearing discussion, evidence from KD (Day 1) and BH (Day 2).

Five nurses working at Darlington Memorial Hospital have filed a legal case suing their employer, an NHS trust, for sexual harassment and sex discrimination. The nurses object to sharing the women’s changing facilities with a male colleague, Rose, who identifies as female. The NHS trust’s HR department dismissed the nurses’ concerns, stating they should “broaden their mindset” and “be educated”. More details can be found at Sex Matters and at Christian Concern who are supporting the nurses via the CLC.

The hearing started on October 20th, with evidence starting on October 22nd and is scheduled to last 3 weeks. To view the hearing online, requests for access had to be made by October 17th. The hearing is being live tweeted by Tribunal Tweets who have background to this case on their substack. An alternative to X is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

The Judge made clear at the start of the public hearing on Day 1 that only TT or press have permission to tweet. If online observers see/hear something in the court that isn’t reported by TT, we don’t mention it until the next time there’s a break. This is a very cautious approach to avoid any accusations of “live reporting” on MN. Commentary on the content of TT tweets is fine as soon as they’re posted on X.

Key people:
C/Ns - Claimants, the Darlington nurses
R/T/Trust - Respondent, County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
J/EJ – Judge/Employment Judge
NF - Niazi Fetto KC, barrister for claimants
SC - Simon Cheetham, KC, barrister for respondents
RH - Rose Henderson, trans identifying nurse
CG – Clare Gregory, ward manager
KD – Karen Danson, first claimant to give evidence.
BH – Bethany Hutchison, second claimant to give evidence
AH – Alistair Hutchison, husband of Bethany

Other abbreviations:
WFTCHTJ – Waiting For The Conference Host To Join
ET - Employment Tribunal
DMH/H – Hospital, Darlington Memorial Hospital
CR/CF - changing room or facilities
IX - internal investigation
XX – cross examination

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Binglebong · 25/10/2025 15:04

One thing that stands out yo me is that PALS gorgeous Rose switched out.so it obviously WAS possible, they just didn't want to.

Mmmnotsure · 25/10/2025 15:34

From X

Mmmnotsure · 25/10/2025 15:44

Not sure if my pic will ever appear. It was from @Sorelle_Arduino
on X, who said it shows the wedding pictures of one Tyler Henderson marrying his wife in the Cotswolds.

Apparently his father was not there, having been imprisoned earlier this year for child sex offences

Londonmummy66 · 25/10/2025 16:01

@Mmmnotsure I can't seem to find that picture on X - what is the date of the post?

Talkinpeace · 25/10/2025 16:04

the post is here (remove spaces)
https: // x.com / Sorelle_Arduino / status / 1982016582890250299

CriticalCondition · 25/10/2025 16:17

Yup, 'Mrs and Mrs'. All the makeup and a full length frock.

I'm guessing it's the reason SC told the judge at the directions hearing RH would not be available in September.

janamo · 25/10/2025 16:20

So a biological man marries a biological woman. Mr. and Mrs. to me. Babies next to prove it.

Will RH supply the wedding album in court in support of his womanly status. World is gone a bit mad.

ShamedBySiri · 25/10/2025 16:43

CriticalCondition · 25/10/2025 16:17

Yup, 'Mrs and Mrs'. All the makeup and a full length frock.

I'm guessing it's the reason SC told the judge at the directions hearing RH would not be available in September.

Ah but as someone on X has pointed out - the bride has taken the Henderson name. How very traditional, almost patriarchal one could say.

Londonmummy66 · 25/10/2025 17:12

Talkinpeace · 25/10/2025 16:04

the post is here (remove spaces)
https: // x.com / Sorelle_Arduino / status / 1982016582890250299

Thank you - he seems to have lost some weight since... https://x.com/howvdareyou/status/1895604005503729788

Ancient new feminist (@howvdareyou) on X

Rosalie Willow Henderson #DarlingtonNurses

https://x.com/howvdareyou/status/1895604005503729788

CriticalCondition · 25/10/2025 17:23

He's got a decision to make next week. I think the only references to the clothes he wears to work have been to jeans, men's trainers and, of course, The Boxers. There's been no suggestion so far he wears anything 'womanly' to work. So will he turn up as Pete in a blokey suit or as Pete in a dress to convince the tribunal of his womanliness. The wedding photos won't be in the agreed bundle and I can't see the judge agreeing that they can go in now.

I wonder if SC has prepared different sets of questions depending on how he presents.

flopsyuk · 25/10/2025 18:42

Mmmnotsure · 25/10/2025 15:44

Not sure if my pic will ever appear. It was from @Sorelle_Arduino
on X, who said it shows the wedding pictures of one Tyler Henderson marrying his wife in the Cotswolds.

Apparently his father was not there, having been imprisoned earlier this year for child sex offences

His Father is on the Nurses Register.

WearyAuldWumman · 25/10/2025 18:44

CriticalCondition · 25/10/2025 17:23

He's got a decision to make next week. I think the only references to the clothes he wears to work have been to jeans, men's trainers and, of course, The Boxers. There's been no suggestion so far he wears anything 'womanly' to work. So will he turn up as Pete in a blokey suit or as Pete in a dress to convince the tribunal of his womanliness. The wedding photos won't be in the agreed bundle and I can't see the judge agreeing that they can go in now.

I wonder if SC has prepared different sets of questions depending on how he presents.

There's no way he'll wear male attire.

I'm betting on a skirt and top combo with a lovely scarf to flatter his neckline.

ETA Plus big glasses.

PachacutisBadAuntie · 25/10/2025 19:07

Talkinpeace · 25/10/2025 16:04

the post is here (remove spaces)
https: // x.com / Sorelle_Arduino / status / 1982016582890250299

Nitter link hopefully
nitter.net/Sorelle_Arduino/status/1982016582890250299

NoBinturongsHereMate · 25/10/2025 19:29

TWETMIRF · 25/10/2025 12:00

Something that jumped out at me was RH being able to wander around for no particular reason. We constantly hear how short staffed the NHS is and how nurses are struggling to be able to use the toilet during shifts.

He's so fucking untouchable that he can waste time going to places he has no cause to be just so that he can intimidate women. I can't see a woman getting away with it, it just shows that nobody sees him as a woman.

Indeed. Most women working on the hospital floor barely have time for a wee during a shift, never mind extended wandering about.

anyolddinosaur · 25/10/2025 20:15

I expect Rose's solicitor to provide explanations for why he was wandering about - and maybe to produce lace boxers. Whether the "explanations" will make any sense we'll have to wait and see.

KnottyAuty · 25/10/2025 21:16

Hello. I’m trying to catch up with proceedings. And I’m trying to work out the likely date for Rose’s appearance so I can try to get some more press about our NHS Audit…. The hearing is scheduled for 3weeks? We are through week 1 where Karen did 2-3 days? Am I right in thinking that there are 3 more nurses and possibly some other witnesses - let’s say the whole week on claimant witnesses? So might Rose be early in week beginning 3rd Nov? What do you think?

NoBinturongsHereMate · 25/10/2025 21:50

I suspect @Justabaker is the best bet for an informed answer.

nauticant · 25/10/2025 22:28

KnottyAuty · 25/10/2025 21:16

Hello. I’m trying to catch up with proceedings. And I’m trying to work out the likely date for Rose’s appearance so I can try to get some more press about our NHS Audit…. The hearing is scheduled for 3weeks? We are through week 1 where Karen did 2-3 days? Am I right in thinking that there are 3 more nurses and possibly some other witnesses - let’s say the whole week on claimant witnesses? So might Rose be early in week beginning 3rd Nov? What do you think?

Karen Danson, claimant, gave evidence on Wednesday 22 October 2025.
Bethany Hutchison, claimant, gave evidence on Thursday 23 October 2025.
Mr Hutchinson, gave evidence on Thursday 23 October 2025. But only to confirm his witness statement.
Carly Hoy, claimant, gave evidence on Friday 23 October 2025, morning session.
Jane Peveller, claimant, gave evidence on Friday 23 October 2025, morning session.
Mary Annice Grundy, claimant, gave evidence on Friday 23 October 2025, afternoon session.

Edited to add: At the moment, the scheduling information given by counsel in the hearing is that cross-examination of the respondent's witnesses starts on Wednesday, 29 October 2025.

With the hearing scheduled to end on 14 November 2025. I'd guess that the final 2 days will be closing arguments.

nauticant · 25/10/2025 22:42

I missed the editing window to correct Friday 23 October 2025 to state, correctly, Friday 24 October 2025 for CH, JP, and MG.

Hedgehogsrightsarehumanrights · 25/10/2025 22:48

Banned here in another eminency, It is interesting if true that Roses dad is a sex offender i have read more than once that it is a common feature in male adults identifying as a woman.

i think it is something that ought to be investigated. Sexual violence against children is so not dealt with properly, and there seems to me to be a link for at least some males with gender identity.

not an excuse of course

Umbongoumbongo999 · 25/10/2025 22:59

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/10/2025 00:36

Hedgehogsrightsarehumanrights · 25/10/2025 22:48

Banned here in another eminency, It is interesting if true that Roses dad is a sex offender i have read more than once that it is a common feature in male adults identifying as a woman.

i think it is something that ought to be investigated. Sexual violence against children is so not dealt with properly, and there seems to me to be a link for at least some males with gender identity.

not an excuse of course

Challoner comes to mind.

NumberTheory · 26/10/2025 03:52

Do we have anything definitive yet that this Dale Henderson is definitely Rose's dad? If true, it's important. But it's a hell of a thing to be repeating if it's actually a different Dale Henderson.

thirdfiddle · 26/10/2025 09:19

Wondering what profession even an "expert on single sex spaces" might be. Surely a court full of legal people can't call another legal person to explain the law to them? But struggling to see what else it is they need a witness on other than who exactly is entitled to what and why?

DoubleDuvet · 26/10/2025 09:27

NumberTheory · 26/10/2025 03:52

Do we have anything definitive yet that this Dale Henderson is definitely Rose's dad? If true, it's important. But it's a hell of a thing to be repeating if it's actually a different Dale Henderson.

There are threads on Twitter with family photos of them together from fb, and info about Dale performing in panto locally in local news (naming his children).

If you search Dale Henderson on X the sleuthing is laid out there.

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