"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread 2

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Link to Thread 1, 7-Oct to 23-Oct; pre-hearing discussion, evidence from KD (Day 1) and BH (Day 2).

Five nurses working at Darlington Memorial Hospital have filed a legal case suing their employer, an NHS trust, for sexual harassment and sex discrimination. The nurses object to sharing the women’s changing facilities with a male colleague, Rose, who identifies as female. The NHS trust’s HR department dismissed the nurses’ concerns, stating they should “broaden their mindset” and “be educated”. More details can be found at Sex Matters and at Christian Concern who are supporting the nurses via the CLC.

The hearing started on October 20th, with evidence starting on October 22nd and is scheduled to last 3 weeks. To view the hearing online, requests for access had to be made by October 17th. The hearing is being live tweeted by Tribunal Tweets who have background to this case on their substack. An alternative to X is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

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Key people:
C/Ns - Claimants, the Darlington nurses
R/T/Trust - Respondent, County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
J/EJ – Judge/Employment Judge
NF - Niazi Fetto KC, barrister for claimants
SC - Simon Cheetham, KC, barrister for respondents
RH - Rose Henderson, trans identifying nurse
CG – Clare Gregory, ward manager
KD – Karen Danson, first claimant to give evidence.
BH – Bethany Hutchison, second claimant to give evidence
AH – Alistair Hutchison, husband of Bethany

Other abbreviations:
WFTCHTJ – Waiting For The Conference Host To Join
ET - Employment Tribunal
DMH/H – Hospital, Darlington Memorial Hospital
CR/CF - changing room or facilities
IX - internal investigation
XX – cross examination

AT Yes, and the other way around NF A F at thought or apprehension of these things? AT Not sure I understand the Q. Wld a F be distressed or uncomfy. Indiv anf their tolerance wld be different NF Have u only thought of this now. How did u answer the Q then? Wld it be a reasonable complaint? AT Yes

Wilfully ignorant.

Of course Men are stronger than Women, what is wrong with him?

This man is a knob of the highest order. In my opinion.

But a great witness for our side.

Here we go!

Men commit 98% of sex offences and women are 88% of victims. They also differ from male victims by the fact that they can become pregnant as a result of rape.

Waits for TT to type out that last bit....

Ha. So his self identity changes him magically into a non threatening female. Nope.

He’s a misogynistic arse.

NF Fair this distress esp acute when employee has a history that sensitisses them, eg of abuse? Yes NF This fear/distress when the M is obv stronger than she is AT I wouldnt be able to measure that NF Issue put b4 you. F employees sharing a CR w large built male

Ah so when men declare they are women they immediately lose most of their strength.

and height!

New thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5434742-darlington-nurses-vs-county-durham-and-darlington-nhs-trust-tribunal-thread-3

AT I hadnt met any of these ppl before hand. What they looked like / intensions/ what they looked like NF Not relevant. At no time before 2025 did u know Rose was large built? AT Jan 25 was 1st time I met Rose NF Do u agree the distress of a F getting to underwear in F CR wld

But RH is part of the sacred caste don’t you know. 😡

be aggravated by the siaze of a man AT Yes, I think so if the man didnt ID as a W. Yr trying to say a large built M in the CR but Rose IDs as a W. NF I'm asking you as the shepherd of sheep. U must take the Cs perspective. whether or not IDs as a W, the F employee is saying

Well he was presenting as a man.

This is absolute gold for us. He's never given it a moment's thought. I do hope NF introduces him to his own version of Pete.

‘Rose being Rose’.

Aww, it’s like a beautiful poem.

NF I've seen an unshaven man w a deep voice. The fact he's obv larger than her. Can u understand her fear and apprehension in sitn AT For me it depends on whether was threatening and how presented. Not the sitn we're talking about.

Fuck me. So by identifying as a woman, the large 6 ft male looking man magically becomes non threatening. Does this man hear himself!?!?!?

He is absolutely awful. So obtuse. How the hell do people like this get to be Head of HR (or is that the point - that being awful is the requirement?)

People like him are exactly why it is so important to be allowed to use biologically correct pronouns, and post photos in the press.

He is quite a big bloke himself, and I would be terrified to come across him in a changing room, because he is so obtuse and arrogant and believes himself to be so totally right.

NF is doing well but I would love this fucker to get Naomi'd.

I don’t like him at all.

"A rose by any other name" is particularly apt here.

Have a look Schedule 22 contains provisions to allow certain acts that would be otherwise unlawful. Such as adjustments related to pregnancy or post berth for eg

It is not all about disability.