NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #51

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:
drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 50: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5387893-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-50 7 August 2025 to 1 September 2025

From TT

Docs were added not in June but in May. They were not scattered through the bundle, it was indexed. There were no documents associated with various discussions, the IT search did not throw up anything further that what had been produced.

The C has asked for a version history of the Datix, but the Datix has all the dates on it in the bundle. On the failure to produce Jamie Doyle as a witness, we produced other witnesses. On Angie Shepherd, she did not play a pivotal role in any decisions. On Michele Farrow, she had much absence

Yikes, she is going there. Doubling down on attacks on Sandie.

I thought it was disputed that SP called DU "it"?

Perhaps GLP have agreed to pick up the damages bill as it relates to Upton.

My breakfast has arrived, so apologies for any delays. I’ll do my best.

You are so lucky

From TT

and it was more appropriate to call someone else from HR. In respect of the names of people who agreed with SP, these names were not made available until the end of the hearing. And it is not true that DU refused to cooperate, it was Cs rep that cancelled the intro meeting with DU, unilaterally.

Two matters; contrasting character of C and DU. Contr char is one of the inconvenient truth that hinders the C's case. We invite the Tribunal to conclude that C holds strong and intolerant views on people of colour, gay people and trans people. n

I can see it in the hairline though.

Is she going to address the appalling 'investigation' at all or is her argument mainly 'of course there are situations where men can undress in women's changing rooms, why wouldn't there be?'

@Jimmyneutronsforehead This actually made me shudder

So JR's preferred witnesses, who don't know what sex they are, are entirely reliable witnesses, but SP was lying through her teeth? I would expect the panel to see through that.

I wouldn't if I was her!

It is possible she's dealt with it at length in written arguments.

But here, the argument appears to be that Peggie behaved abominably towards Upton and presumably deserved what she got.

JR It is clear Dr Upton was universally praised.

That will be because everyone was shit scared of getting the Sandie treatment.

And look how that worked out for her. #TheoUpton trending all day until bedtime on TwiX. 😁

Now DU is a paragon of virtue - JR conveniently forgetting DU's behaviour as a witness (trying to control NC) and his behaviour over phone evidence.

I think we have a misgendering! My emphasis

From TT

We invite the Tribunal to find that C had strong feelings about DU, she mocked him and disgust. C said that it was not unfair to refer to DU as a weirdo. There is no trace of the ordinary kindness referred to in the skeleton. It is consistent with the text messages in the bundle,

I draw the Tribunal's attention to the laughing and anger emotions in the messages. As to the bacon messages, she says it wasn't her, this is inconsistent with the recollection of other witnesses. And her views on Pakistani people, evidence by jokes and that she called

Dr U Extremely kind and compassionate person in all ways!!!!!!!!

So the crux of the argument is that Dr Upton is a lovely lovely lovely person, and Sandie Peggie is a big old meanie for refusing to share a changing room with him?

Quiet dignity, my arse.

Dr U & 'quiet dignity' now.

Here comes the sermon.

from herald
10:54am
Ms Russell says that Ms Peggie held intolerant views of gay people, minorities and trans people.
She says that Ms Peggie had "strong dislike, disgust and mockery" towards Dr Upton when she referred to Dr Upton as "it" and a "weirdo".
In evidence, the tribunal heard that Ms Peggie had made racist jokes in a private group chat, while she was also accused of homophobia and transphobia.
She says there is no trace of the "ordinary kindness" in the claimants argument.
Referring to a comment that Ms Peggie wanted to post bacon through a letter box of a mosque, she says it is incorrect for Ms Peggie to say she heard this remark made by a paramedic and simply repeated it.
There was also a report to NHS Fife that Ms Peggie had referred to a colleague as a "P*".
She says it offensive to working class people to argue that these terms are often used in these communities.
Ms Peggie's views on race and gender seeped into her work life, the barrister argues.
There also was no other witness in this case who had anything negative to say about Dr Upton - only Ms Peggie.

I feel nauseous

It's a long way of exhorting #bekind.