Judge McCloud seeks re-hearing of the Supreme Court FWS appeal

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/aug/18/transgender-judge-supreme-court-case-biological-sex

'The UK’s first transgender judge has launched a case against the UK in the European court of human rights challenging the process that led to the supreme court’s ruling on biological sex.
The retired judge Victoria McCloud, who is now a litigation strategist at W-Legal, is seeking a rehearing of the case, arguing that the supreme court undermined her article 6 rights to a fair trial when it refused to hear representation from her and did not hear evidence from any other trans individuals or groups.'

The Amnesty representative was, I believe, non-binary?

These days the editorial stratum at the Guardian seems mostly concerned about things closer to home like potential redundancies (their own) and fundraising from its readership to keep the paper afloat.

Unfortunately the readership already gave all its money to Jojo Batshit.

There’s also plenty of seething about it on TRA Reddit.

Fair trial? It was the Scottish government on trial, wasn't it?

Do we all have a 'right to a fair trial' if we fancy putting our oars in on a case that doesn't directly involve us?

I've noticed that many TW who have had surgery (because they feel so strongly that women are female that they undergo drastical medical interventions to embody this belief) often like to gatekeep TW like this.

It's interesting - I doubt they would ever post on X that being trans means having surgery to look like the opposite sex, because that contradicts so much of the current self-id talk. But everything they do seems to act towards this

That's long been the case. Men who've had genital surgery think they're 'more female' than men who haven't.

It's very sad, really.

Why don't they come out and say it publicly, then? Are they worried they are transphobic?

I don't know what's new either. Has he actually sent a letter before action, whatever it is you have to do?

My thought exactly. How can McCloud talk about a fair trial when it wasn't a trial at all? What he's grumping about is that the Supreme Court didn't hear evidence from individuals - on either side of the argument.

It is interesting where this argument based on having "female anatomy" will go. Is the idea to have different rules for pukka TWs who have "female anatomy" and leave other TW in the cold? (This will likely divide the TWAW crowd?) Or are these TW with "female anatomy" supposed be the Trojan horses who will then bring everyone who identifies as a women with them surreptitiously? Hmmm.

This is so fucking insulting to female rape victims (not you, what he said, obviously!)

These men are completely unused to being told “no” aren’t they?

Many men see it as a real achievement to have their genitals surgically altered, a rite of passage, and I would say almost as a kind of quasi mystical 'transition' into 'being a woman'.

The truth of it being a risky plastic surgery procedure that has no impact on their sex would be quite a difficult truth to accept, I imagine.

Tensions between men competing to be 'more women' have long been a feature of the 'trans community', though. And given that the vast, vast majority of males who claim a trans identity have a penis, I expect the backlash would be pretty strong.

"Anatomy" is code for surgery, but I thought the law was clear that it would be inhumane to demand surgery in exchange for legally changing gender!

VM doesn’t even live in the Uk
SC tend not to hear from individuals
No pro trans lobby group make an application to intervene
the SC had the pro trans side from the Scottish government and Amnesty

Sounds like VM just doesn’t like being told no

So it’s too dangerous for VM to use a man’s loo or changing room

But it was perfectly fine for my male children to use them at ages 8 upwards.

Does VM genuinely think VM is more vulnerable than a pre pubescent boy?

Ah, I think I've found the reason this is back in the news.

https://www.irishlegal.com/articles/britains-first-trans-judge-crowdfunds-to-challenge-uk-in-strasbourg

Crowdfund launched. (Whatever happened to the joint effort with the GLP?)

Anyway, McCloud has managed £150 so far.

I think to get anywhere with this he's going to have to demonstrate that the mens loos in the supermarket/office/pub/theatre wherever (where, as a PP said, young boys manage to go to the loo without incident) are indeed a dangerous place for TIMs to go and that a significant number of TIMs in the UK have been assaulted by non TIMs and non punters in there.

Good luck with that Victoria as I dont believe it happens. All the men I know would barely notice a man dressed as a woman in the mens loos or if they did, might internally roll their eyes and think what a prat, but they wouldn't interact with them in any way. Maybe there are some tucked away seedy toilets used for sex work on lorry parks etc but I think its pretty well documented that violence there is related to sex work and of course the very ladylike TIMs like Victoria wouldn't be frequenting those places (and its mainly women being assaulted anyway).

I honestly don't know why this deluded person, who is retired and doesnt live in the UK, gets any airtime at all really.

Another one I actually feel slightky sorry for, a career in law, hard-won no doubt, but reputation retrospectively ruined by out of control proclivities.

The other problem is that a service provider only needs to reasonably accommodate protected characteristics, hence often non existent provision for people with disabilities.

Apparently, in this instance, because Libby Brooks needed to file some copy so recycled an old article.

I think people like McCloud and other tw who think they now have 'female anatomy' will eventually turn on the proponents of self ID, especially when their challenges to the Supreme Court get them nowhere. I suspect there will be a big fracture in the 'community'.

Yes, these older ones that have actually had their penises removed and do actually attempt to dress like age equivalent (stereotypical) women clearly think that they are 'more trans' or better than the newer breed of young people that are more into being non binary, gemder fluid etc and wear dresses with beards and have ladycocks etc. I can't see the forced teaming lasting either.

I wonder if he is only arguing for the post - surgical group then? Is that the case?

McCloud is only about the post-surgical group? Do all the other *extreme transgender activists know this?

*extreme activists being those who demand gender is prioritised over sex when sex matters.

I really wish a journalist would ask this question.

Who are the “Trans Legal Clinic” supporting him in this and yes, what happened to the joint GLP claim?