Judge McCloud seeks re-hearing of the Supreme Court FWS appeal

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/aug/18/transgender-judge-supreme-court-case-biological-sex

'The UK’s first transgender judge has launched a case against the UK in the European court of human rights challenging the process that led to the supreme court’s ruling on biological sex.
The retired judge Victoria McCloud, who is now a litigation strategist at W-Legal, is seeking a rehearing of the case, arguing that the supreme court undermined her article 6 rights to a fair trial when it refused to hear representation from her and did not hear evidence from any other trans individuals or groups.'

The Amnesty representative was, I believe, non-binary?

GLP said they had a submission ready for the Supreme Court
as did Robin White
as did Judge McCloud
none of them have ever published what they though would be their killer arguments

This is the Ted Upton fallacy/phallusy.

"I am a woman. Therefore my anatomy is female."

I didn't know that about Libby Brooks.

I can remember in the past thinking she was a "reliable" reporter.

ie didn't push an agenda, stuck to facts, etc..

Seems like another you would have thought would know better, but has somehow taken on the rainbow mantle.

Plus, if as suggested up thread this is in fact just a puff piece to launch the fund raiser, that is even worse.

Jolyon Maugham is an absolute arse, but I don't think he is doing this for the money. I would have thought continuing as a tax barrister would have been more lucrative.

I think he is doing this for personal reasons - because he has two trans-identifying children, and this has caused him to lose all perspective on this issue. And the legal ineptitude is compounded by the fact that this isn't his area of law.

And I also think he is doing this because he has a massive ego, and he loves having it stoked by TRAs and self-proclaimed 'progressives' who seem to view him as some kind of messiah.

One reason doesn't preclude the other.

Jolly On takes 10% of everything raised for GLP as "admin expenses"

Possibly not, but I don't think it's his primary motivation.

I don't know if it's been mentioned earlier (I haven't RTFT). But Peter Daly, (the solicitor involved with, amongst other cases, the Forstater case, the LGB Alliance charity case and the lesbian interveners in the FWS case at the Supreme Court) tweeted earlier today about this and what he said made perfect sense to me:

"Whether or not there is merit to McCloud’s underlying argument (I think there isn’t) is beside the point: that ship sailed in 2024 when the intervention appn was refused without challenge. (4/5)

But money has been raised to challenge FWS, so now it must be spent, even though in vain. So many good cases fail for want of sufficient funding. This is funding failing for want of a sufficient case. (5/5)"

I think he makes a very strong point that they have a pot of money and are looking for ways of spending it.

https://x.com/peter_daly/status/1957409801916273018

Pretty sure I’ve seen some footage of Goodwin driving his bus - he deffo didn’t pass as anything except a man with long hair!

Maya talks to GB news about McCloud's case. Pretty entertaining:

https://www.gbnews.com/news/maya-forstater-attacks-trans-lawyers-bid-to-overturn-supreme-courts-biological-sex-ruling

It is pretty clear this is publicity stunt more than anything else. The question is what will be the impact?

To keep losing cases might give a buzz to fanatic TAs, but may help undermine their wider position.

I assume it wasn't the goal, but it would have been necessary to hide the fact that he was their father to maintain the facade of being Christine Goodwin.

Can't find it. Youtube suggested this:

'...there's nothing I want more than a pair of breasts. Very exciting'

Maybe there is a grift there there always is, but also I think that now the whole Stonewall has come crumbling down, certain people are jostling for position

now the whole Stonewall has come crumbling down, certain people are jostling for position

For some reason this brought to mind some sort of tv competition where various TRA groups would produce manifestos and there would no doubt some very interesting displays of rainbow affirming costumes, (but hopefully no nudity) and then a final vote.

But what would the award be?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

He makes it sound like a job creation scheme. Where the funders provide money for the lawyers to pay themselves to prepare a case they will lose. But the funders will love them for trying, and they'll get to be on the telly.

In a few years they'll be asked to do reality TV.0

That's literally what it is. Plus they get clout for being pure for the cause.

If I remember rightly, Maya herself posted a clip of Goodwin on his bus on Twitter maybe a few months back, if that would helps anyone with a account search. Can't seem to achieve any useful X/Twitter searching myself without one.

I’ve seen it too. I don’t think the judges actually got to see him, or it might have given them pause for thought, perhaps.

Think some people may have a page-refresh issue: it's reached £5675 as I look now, and it was already several hundred when I checked not long after the first post about it being only £150. Still not a high fraction of £150k mind...

Sad thing is that the donators probably think they are helping to change the SC ruling in some way, or that what they're donating to will happen in any way soon. Rather than years, if it even gets allowed. Which it won't. The ECHR isn't going to go against a unanymous ruling in a country such as the UK. The whole thing is a non-starter. But grifters gonna grift.

Yep.

VM's final judgment was an absolute masterpiece of narcissism, which was a real shame, VM was originally a really excellent judge. I honestly blame lockdown - it was during lockdown the email footers became longer and longer and more and more bonkers; the hair was dyed; the outfits got more ridiculous.

I just wish that Journalists Would Do Their Job.
At the mo, they just seem to run with the PR spin put out by the likes of McCloud, without doing any research into whether there is any underlying merit.

I saw (with relief!) that he is no longer a judge. If he were, would there be recourse for him blatantly lying about having female anatomy? It would surely bring the profession into disrepute.

Likewise could anyone who case he proceeded over now challenge it due to his bias against women, questions on his sanity and apparent lack of understanding of the law?

To be fair, most of them are ignoring this grifting tilting at windmills.

Alessandra Asteriti makes a great point in this tweet about what McCloud's case, if he has one, is likely not to be:

"I have not read his application, but exhaustion of domestic remedies would probably not be applicable in this case, as no lower court would depart from a judgment of the Supreme Court."