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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Giggle V Tickle in court August 4

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TheKhakiQuail · 20/07/2025 09:46

Feminists in the UK seem to have an enormous amount of momentum in the UK - the wins keep coming. Here in Australia, things are moving very slowly. However, the Giggle v Tickle appeal is coming up on 4-7th August before a Federal Court panel. It will be livestreamed.

I will add the link below if anyone is up for some gardening it is much needed.

I am not close to the case, but there are some pleasing updates - the Lesbian Action Group has been given permission to intervene, and they have a very clever and well-versed in feminism legal team of Megan Blake and Leigh Howard. I wasn't particularly impressed with the legal arguments put forward in court in the first round, but there is a new SC (like a KC) on the team - don't know of him except he does work for the richest woman in Australia, so hopefully he knows how to make a good case too.

In other developments, Jillian Spencer, a psychiatrist in Queensland who was suspended for criticising pediatric gender medicine at her hospital is bringing several lawsuits, including discrimination on the grounds of belief. She is probably an excellent claimant for lawfare. And a convicted murderer in NSW applied to be moved from a male to a female prison, but the NSW government seems to be ruling that out despite having just brought in self-id and having allowed it before (maybe the sexual assault allegations that occurred previously would be more damaging if repeated in the current climate). It may have opened some eyes though.

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Absentmindedsmile · 04/08/2025 06:57

GwenniMcKinney · 04/08/2025 06:46

Might she be taking a big one for the team, do you think?

no my impression is she's either not grasping it or is deep in the genderwoo/ be kind

Gender woo, and she is Not independent enough for this case.

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 06:58

Listening to this for most of today, most laws are written with reality as their raison d’être. It’s really, really hard to discuss, attack or defend any part of this as its raison d’être is unreality.

2021x · 04/08/2025 06:59

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 06:58

Listening to this for most of today, most laws are written with reality as their raison d’être. It’s really, really hard to discuss, attack or defend any part of this as its raison d’être is unreality.

This is what I am trying to understand. Its not theory that laws are written for, its for reflection of reality surely.

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 06:59

Some on Twitter have suggested biological birth being born by the biological genetic mother compared to adoption or surrogacy.

Others have suggested compared to spiritual birth so maybe @TheSandgroper is onto something there.

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 07:03

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 06:59

Some on Twitter have suggested biological birth being born by the biological genetic mother compared to adoption or surrogacy.

Others have suggested compared to spiritual birth so maybe @TheSandgroper is onto something there.

You’re very kind, I’m sure.

I think it’s just a sadly excellent example of the contortion that language must now suffer in service of unreality.

Absentmindedsmile · 04/08/2025 07:05

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 07:03

You’re very kind, I’m sure.

I think it’s just a sadly excellent example of the contortion that language must now suffer in service of unreality.

And why are judges using it. 🤯

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:06

Tickle’s lawyer is annoying. She’s going to be frustrating to listen to isn’t she? The batshit unscientific arguments?

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:08

A female name makes him a woman? What about those with unisex names? My DH has one. Does that mean that he can switch between a man and woman at any time?

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:08

So they are trying to establish that RT is a woman under the defintion of sex in Australian law.

Is this the core of the case, and if they rule in SG favour does that mean in Australia a women means female?

"A female top, with a female style haircut"- give me a break. The bar is really fucking low isn't it.

GwenniMcKinney · 04/08/2025 07:08

"joining a app for females makes you a female" Tickles lawyer

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:10

A female top and a female hairstyle makes Tickle a woman? Get fucked. I’m wearing a shirt from the men’s section of a shop. Guess I’m a bloke now, right?

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 07:10

My first job was working for a panel beater working in the shed. Does that make me a man?

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:11

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:10

A female top and a female hairstyle makes Tickle a woman? Get fucked. I’m wearing a shirt from the men’s section of a shop. Guess I’m a bloke now, right?

Yup... I am wearing a dressing gown with clouds, guess I am a goddess.

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:11

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 07:10

My first job was working for a panel beater working in the shed. Does that make me a man?

Depends. Did you wear a skirt, dress, trousers or shorts? Overalls would definitely make you a man. Sorry. That’s the rules.

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:12

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 07:10

My first job was working for a panel beater working in the shed. Does that make me a man?

did you have a male haircut? Then yes.

CrocsNotDocs · 04/08/2025 07:12

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 06:46

What’s the deal with three judges? Is it majority rules for the verdict? So if one disagrees then the losing side can use that judge’s opinion as a basis for an appeal of the appeal?

I honestly don’t know. I just recall that when George Pell was convicted by a panel of 3, it was waived through quickly to the High Court based on Mark Weinberg’s excellently argued dissent which was accepted in full by the High Court when they unanimously overturned the conviction.

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:13

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:11

Yup... I am wearing a dressing gown with clouds, guess I am a goddess.

Love it! Now I need to get something with clouds on it. I want to be a goddess.

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:14

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:13

Love it! Now I need to get something with clouds on it. I want to be a goddess.

You can be.... you can be anything as long as you have the right top and haircut

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 07:16

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:12

did you have a male haircut? Then yes.

It was a town full of surfies. So, I might be able to say yes, no matter what hair style I had.

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:16

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:14

You can be.... you can be anything as long as you have the right top and haircut

Are pants required? Or just a top?

(pants = shorts or trousers or any other two legged outerwear, not underwear: they’re underpants)

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:18

Court adjourned until 10am tomorrow. 1am for the UK.

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 07:19

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:16

Are pants required? Or just a top?

(pants = shorts or trousers or any other two legged outerwear, not underwear: they’re underpants)

Umm, I wore a dress, actually, on some days. I can see myself in it now. Other days it would have been jeans and a t shirt.

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:19

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:16

Are pants required? Or just a top?

(pants = shorts or trousers or any other two legged outerwear, not underwear: they’re underpants)

I couldn't tell you. It has not been declared in the court of Apppeals in Australia whether the vestments of the lower region are necessary in determining a sex of a person, only the top (no mention of a bra interestingly) and the haircut...

I can't wait for Gen Z to get hold of this.

VaddaABeetch · 04/08/2025 07:21

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:08

A female name makes him a woman? What about those with unisex names? My DH has one. Does that mean that he can switch between a man and woman at any time?

Your husband is obviously 2 spirit

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