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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Giggle V Tickle in court August 4

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TheKhakiQuail · 20/07/2025 09:46

Feminists in the UK seem to have an enormous amount of momentum in the UK - the wins keep coming. Here in Australia, things are moving very slowly. However, the Giggle v Tickle appeal is coming up on 4-7th August before a Federal Court panel. It will be livestreamed.

I will add the link below if anyone is up for some gardening it is much needed.

I am not close to the case, but there are some pleasing updates - the Lesbian Action Group has been given permission to intervene, and they have a very clever and well-versed in feminism legal team of Megan Blake and Leigh Howard. I wasn't particularly impressed with the legal arguments put forward in court in the first round, but there is a new SC (like a KC) on the team - don't know of him except he does work for the richest woman in Australia, so hopefully he knows how to make a good case too.

In other developments, Jillian Spencer, a psychiatrist in Queensland who was suspended for criticising pediatric gender medicine at her hospital is bringing several lawsuits, including discrimination on the grounds of belief. She is probably an excellent claimant for lawfare. And a convicted murderer in NSW applied to be moved from a male to a female prison, but the NSW government seems to be ruling that out despite having just brought in self-id and having allowed it before (maybe the sexual assault allegations that occurred previously would be more damaging if repeated in the current climate). It may have opened some eyes though.

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musicalfrog · 04/08/2025 07:25

low whistle

Absolutely crazy.

Thanks for updates everyone.

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:27

VaddaABeetch · 04/08/2025 07:21

Your husband is obviously 2 spirit

😆 I’ll have to tell him that. He’s received mail address to Ms Unisex name in the past. He’s well and truly peaked now. Taught him about AGPs. Plus the be kind attitude he used to have quickly disappeared at the thought of an AGP going into the women’s toilets while our teen DD is in there. That saw a jaw clench and his hands clench and unclench.

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:30

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:27

😆 I’ll have to tell him that. He’s received mail address to Ms Unisex name in the past. He’s well and truly peaked now. Taught him about AGPs. Plus the be kind attitude he used to have quickly disappeared at the thought of an AGP going into the women’s toilets while our teen DD is in there. That saw a jaw clench and his hands clench and unclench.

I have watched a bit of Dr. Az Hakeem who reports that most TRA's specifically are transvestites (who get a kick out of getting in and out of womens spaces) and people with autism who struggle to emotionally regulate when being denied to live their life according to their own (strict) reality.

He said that AGPs are actually very rare (they just seem so common because of the narcissim of online) and are usually the ones that go through with the surgery. But most trans women are transvestites.

Seriestwo · 04/08/2025 07:32

this female judge is saying she can’t tell the sex of big Roxy?

is she on glue?

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:36

@Seriestwo No, she says big Roxie is a woman.

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:37

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:36

@Seriestwo No, she says big Roxie is a woman.

.... becuase he has a certificate

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 07:41

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:37

.... becuase he has a certificate

And removes (some of) his hair. And shops in the ladies section of Kmart. Don’t ever forget what makes you a woman.

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:41

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:37

.... becuase he has a certificate

and a woman’s top and a woman’s hairstyle.

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:44

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:37

.... becuase he has a certificate

Maybe if you need a certificate, or a top, or a haircut to show you are a woman..... you are not ... in fact... a woman.

EsmeWeatherwaxHatpin · 04/08/2025 07:44

Oh for one of Giggle’s female lawyers to turn up in a male cut suit with cropped hair and men’s style shoes tomorrow, while the male lawyer turns up with light makeup, a blouse, and a skirt suit with a low heeled pump.

then ask the judge “do you think we’ve both changed sex”.

I know that can’t but it’s what would happen in a movie.

2021x · 04/08/2025 07:45

EsmeWeatherwaxHatpin · 04/08/2025 07:44

Oh for one of Giggle’s female lawyers to turn up in a male cut suit with cropped hair and men’s style shoes tomorrow, while the male lawyer turns up with light makeup, a blouse, and a skirt suit with a low heeled pump.

then ask the judge “do you think we’ve both changed sex”.

I know that can’t but it’s what would happen in a movie.

Yes..... yes yes yes....

GwenniMcKinney · 04/08/2025 07:45

and joined a women only app

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:46

TheSandgroper · 04/08/2025 07:41

And removes (some of) his hair. And shops in the ladies section of Kmart. Don’t ever forget what makes you a woman.

I shop in both the women’s and men’s sections of Kmart. Last night I wore men’s pj pants with a men’s t-shirt but underwear from the women’s section of Target. Actually for most of winter I wear men’s t-shirts because I find them more comfortable and roomier than women’s. In the warmer weather I’m in dresses. Maybe my sex is weather dependent. I’ve never dyed my hair or been waxed. Man points. Oh no!

Absentmindedsmile · 04/08/2025 07:51

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 07:41

and a woman’s top and a woman’s hairstyle.

What is a ‘woman’s top’? A pink blouse with flowers? A little white pixie t shirt?

‘top’ 🙄🙄🤮😡

Do they mean fake tits? Say fcking fake tits.

And whilst you’re at it Aussie court, start using plain English language. Stop using gender woo bollocks language, because none of it makes sense.

You can’t knit using saucy spaghetti mixed with chewing gum.

nauticant · 04/08/2025 08:33

TheKhakiQuail · 04/08/2025 06:14

Oh FFS! The pregnant transman problem was raised, and the presiding judge said "but not all women can get pregnant" and (approximately) "what's the problem with having woman having a different meaning in the general parts of the SDA and the very specific, biological aspects of pregnancy discrimination and breastfeeding?". So woman is just meant to include and exclude various people in different parts of the SDA law, with no guidance on who is included / excluded in different parts. FFS!!!!

In the Supreme Court judgment in the UK, the judges said, according to long-established principles of legal interpretation, that a term in a statute needs to mean the same thing throughout because if it means different things in different places that can lead to considerable legal uncertainty.

Assuming that the judge in this case is talking about the same thing, that is surprising. And worrying for how this will go.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 04/08/2025 09:04

So it's not going well. As predicted.

ThatCyanCat · 04/08/2025 09:19

Is it a bad sign that the court is calling him she/her?

Rightsraptor · 04/08/2025 09:44

I'm in the UK and reading your comments with baited breath.

It is quite insane that this is even happening. How on earth can the judge think it's fine & dandy for any word of significance to have variable meanings across different statutes or parts of them? Let's take marriage, which is deemed a societally significant state. It couldn't work if in one statute a couple were deemed to be married and in another they were deemed to be unmarried. Bonkers. This judge looks to be a post-modernist and believes that there's no such thing as truth and that all boundaries can/must be erased.

This is so dangerous.

99bottlesofkombucha · 04/08/2025 11:35

I’m not don’t have the legal background to understand the context of all their references but this seems to be a mess.

KilkennyCats · 04/08/2025 11:37

GwenniMcKinney · 04/08/2025 07:08

"joining a app for females makes you a female" Tickles lawyer

Sweet suffering Jesus 🤯

KilkennyCats · 04/08/2025 11:38

Rightsraptor · 04/08/2025 09:44

I'm in the UK and reading your comments with baited breath.

It is quite insane that this is even happening. How on earth can the judge think it's fine & dandy for any word of significance to have variable meanings across different statutes or parts of them? Let's take marriage, which is deemed a societally significant state. It couldn't work if in one statute a couple were deemed to be married and in another they were deemed to be unmarried. Bonkers. This judge looks to be a post-modernist and believes that there's no such thing as truth and that all boundaries can/must be erased.

This is so dangerous.

How did they manage to get into law??

99bottlesofkombucha · 04/08/2025 11:40

KilkennyCats · 04/08/2025 11:37

Sweet suffering Jesus 🤯

Exactly and where is the ability to say ‘if I sign my male dog up are they now a human female too?’

Absentmindedsmile · 04/08/2025 11:43

KilkennyCats · 04/08/2025 11:38

How did they manage to get into law??

From this case so far, it looks like the legal profession lets anyone in, in Australia. There’s no critical thinking, there’s no critical analysis of information, and there’s no scientific reasoning. Truly atrocious.

FeralWoman · 04/08/2025 11:47

Some interesting discussion happening on Kit Kowalski’s Twitter Space. The speakers on there think it might not be quite so dire but regardless it will go to the next level of appeal in the High Court.

https://x.com/i/spaces/1OyKALLAvkaxb

https://x.com/KowalskiKit/status/1952309167928254899

https://x.com/i/spaces/1OyKALLAvkaxb

Absentmindedsmile · 04/08/2025 11:54

Gah I started to listen to that but they’re trying to analyse the gobbledegook spoken in court, which frankly, is painful. Or they’re trying to make sense of the nonsense. This is awful.

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