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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Giggle V Tickle in court August 4

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TheKhakiQuail · 20/07/2025 09:46

Feminists in the UK seem to have an enormous amount of momentum in the UK - the wins keep coming. Here in Australia, things are moving very slowly. However, the Giggle v Tickle appeal is coming up on 4-7th August before a Federal Court panel. It will be livestreamed.

I will add the link below if anyone is up for some gardening it is much needed.

I am not close to the case, but there are some pleasing updates - the Lesbian Action Group has been given permission to intervene, and they have a very clever and well-versed in feminism legal team of Megan Blake and Leigh Howard. I wasn't particularly impressed with the legal arguments put forward in court in the first round, but there is a new SC (like a KC) on the team - don't know of him except he does work for the richest woman in Australia, so hopefully he knows how to make a good case too.

In other developments, Jillian Spencer, a psychiatrist in Queensland who was suspended for criticising pediatric gender medicine at her hospital is bringing several lawsuits, including discrimination on the grounds of belief. She is probably an excellent claimant for lawfare. And a convicted murderer in NSW applied to be moved from a male to a female prison, but the NSW government seems to be ruling that out despite having just brought in self-id and having allowed it before (maybe the sexual assault allegations that occurred previously would be more damaging if repeated in the current climate). It may have opened some eyes though.

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TheKhakiQuail · 20/07/2025 09:48

Website for gardening gigglecrowdfund.com/

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CassOle · 20/07/2025 10:45

Thanks for posting this update. This appeal is going to be very important for Australia.

TheSandgroper · 20/07/2025 12:40

Gosh @TheKhakiQuail thank you. I have an alert on my phone now.

nauticant · 20/07/2025 12:46

Don't be surprised if your post containing the link to Sall Grover's crowdfunding is deleted@TheKhakiQuail. Crowdfunding links are usually deleted here, irrespective of the cause they're for.

TheKhakiQuail · 20/07/2025 12:47

TheSandgroper · 20/07/2025 12:40

Gosh @TheKhakiQuail thank you. I have an alert on my phone now.

Are you following the Sandie Peggie tribunal? It feels like such a long time since the February hearings, now we've got Sandie Peggie, LAVA (NZ) and GvT all within a few weeks of each other.

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TheKhakiQuail · 20/07/2025 12:51

nauticant · 20/07/2025 12:46

Don't be surprised if your post containing the link to Sall Grover's crowdfunding is deleted@TheKhakiQuail. Crowdfunding links are usually deleted here, irrespective of the cause they're for.

Thanks, I wasn't sure what the rules were.

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TheSandgroper · 20/07/2025 13:00

TheKhakiQuail · 20/07/2025 12:47

Are you following the Sandie Peggie tribunal? It feels like such a long time since the February hearings, now we've got Sandie Peggie, LAVA (NZ) and GvT all within a few weeks of each other.

No, from my end of the world there is only so much I can do.

nauticant · 20/07/2025 13:23

Probably for the best. Once you get sucked into the Sandie Peggie Employment Tribunal when the time comes to go out the front door you find yourself surprised that the rest of the world is still there.

TheSandgroper · 21/07/2025 06:25

See page 2 of the Australian today. I don’t know how to find it on archives but did read it on Newsbank.

BugsyMaroon · 21/07/2025 06:28

Checking in.

FeralWoman · 21/07/2025 10:54

Damn, DH has a specialist appointment booked for 4th August that I’m going along to with him. Very tempted to see if we can change it to a week later or something. He knows how important Giggle vs Tickle is for women’s rights in Australia.

FeralWoman · 21/07/2025 11:07

Twitter/X link to The Australian story that @TheSandgroper has mentioned:

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1946893710408729081

https://x.com/salltweets/status/1946893710408729081

FeralWoman · 21/07/2025 11:10

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Giggle V Tickle in court August 4
TheKhakiQuail · 22/07/2025 02:21

FeralWoman · 21/07/2025 10:54

Damn, DH has a specialist appointment booked for 4th August that I’m going along to with him. Very tempted to see if we can change it to a week later or something. He knows how important Giggle vs Tickle is for women’s rights in Australia.

If you can't change the appointment, maybe you can watch on your phone, and increase the speed to catch up after his appt?

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TheKhakiQuail · 22/07/2025 02:23

TheSandgroper · 21/07/2025 06:25

See page 2 of the Australian today. I don’t know how to find it on archives but did read it on Newsbank.

Interesting, good to see the media covering it, and giving the legal team the opportunity to outline the issues.

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TheSandgroper · 22/07/2025 02:34

On another matter, The Greens are having a bad day. This is a Guardian version https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jul/21/drew-hutton-queensland-greens-founder-expelled-legal-ntwnfb
but The Australian today has it on the front page, an editorial and Drew Hutton has an essay.

See also the magazine on Saturday just gone for arguments against transing children.

The Australian is now in full TERF mode. Please God Sall this time gets a judge that is a little bit bright.

Drew Hutton says Greens have ‘lost their way’ after party votes to expel co-founder

Party says Hutton’s membership has been terminated over debate harmful to trans people but he says it’s an issue of free speech

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jul/21/drew-hutton-queensland-greens-founder-expelled-legal-ntwnfb

99bottlesofkombucha · 22/07/2025 03:03

Does anyone have a version of the magazine article? I should have read it while at my parents oopps

TheSandgroper · 22/07/2025 04:35

@99bottlesofkombucha I read it on Newsbank on the SLWA website as a member. Check your library member resources otherwise your library probably has it sitting on the shelf so you can just walk in.

FeralWoman · 22/07/2025 04:54

TheKhakiQuail · 22/07/2025 02:21

If you can't change the appointment, maybe you can watch on your phone, and increase the speed to catch up after his appt?

No I’ll need to be properly present and listening at the appointment. I don’t think I could manage to speed through parts to catch up. My brain isn’t fast enough these days. DH is okay with me changing the appointment so I’ll call them and see what’s available.

Retiredfromthere · 22/07/2025 05:08

FeralWoman · 22/07/2025 04:54

No I’ll need to be properly present and listening at the appointment. I don’t think I could manage to speed through parts to catch up. My brain isn’t fast enough these days. DH is okay with me changing the appointment so I’ll call them and see what’s available.

Have you checked time zones? If your appointment is GMT then you may be fine.

TheKhakiQuail · 22/07/2025 05:13

TheSandgroper · 22/07/2025 02:34

On another matter, The Greens are having a bad day. This is a Guardian version https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jul/21/drew-hutton-queensland-greens-founder-expelled-legal-ntwnfb
but The Australian today has it on the front page, an editorial and Drew Hutton has an essay.

See also the magazine on Saturday just gone for arguments against transing children.

The Australian is now in full TERF mode. Please God Sall this time gets a judge that is a little bit bright.

Having one of the founders of the Greens publicly criticising gender ideology within the party is not going to help their narrative that GCs are all far right conservative pearl clutchers. AFAIK his "crime" was simply to not delete other people's GC comments on his facebook page. He wasn't even particularly involved in the debate. But now he has been punished and suspended and has nothing to lose by speaking out very publicly. It was a strategic misstep by the Greens really, beyond just being unfair.

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TheSandgroper · 22/07/2025 05:28

I very much liked his comment that a lot of long term Greens members had left (not renewed their subscriptions, I suppose). Moira Deeming’s crime was to be on a street when a bunch of neoNazi’s walked past her. I seriously wonder about my country these days.

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Helleofabore · 22/07/2025 06:25

Speaking of the Greens… it seems to part of an unsubscribing concerted effort.

http://archive.today/bNAqH

Helleofabore · 22/07/2025 06:31

I think this is the channel it will be live streamed on. I guess we will get a live link on the day.

https://youtube.com/@federalcourtaus?si=Nl4SwSIcFcKaaOGn

TheSandgroper · 22/07/2025 07:04

The Australian a few days ago https://archive.md/APVSt

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