UCU being taken to tribunal over discrimination for 'gc' views

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/gender-critical-documentary-makers-take-ucu-tribunal

The filmmakers of 'Adult Human Female' are taking UCU to tribunal.

I'll try to find an archive copy.

Thanks. But I think it's from the court as saying PiN invalid...😕

Are you in? 🤞

The locked symbol which was on screen from the start of the resumed session has just disappeared. It may be worth trying again?

I'm in! 🤨🤔

The email with joining instructions specifically mentions that you need to use Chrome.

I'm in too! Phew.

Anyone else getting fed up with academics being given such a high pedestal on this when many of them seem unable to grasp the difference between men and women? 🤔

It just feels like a witchhunt tbh

This is a ridiculous line of questioning. Goes to the heart of artistic freedom, surely?

One can get the impression from UCU's counsel that we need to reinstate the powers of the Lord Chamberlain over what is to be performed in public.

Not all of us!

Some of us are toiling away in the trenches, telling out students that there's a difference between sex (biological, immutable) and gender roles & stereotypes (historically & culturally constructed).

And some of us have left the UCU because of their idiocy & student politics attitudes.

Is it worth rejoining? Will it go on for a while yet?

I think worth joining, yes

Ah pin not working now

A big bot did it and ran away?

That's weird. Usually, when you try to connect and it's in session, you just get put in the waiting room, and then maybe have to wait a while until the clerk lets you in. Maybe the underlying software has a different "stop the pin working" way of turning off access, which is being used this time? This seems likely to be a mistake on their part!

Oh sorry just read on and realised humour is unacceptable. Sorry. Sorry. <mumbles and shuffles out>

Ahh, after leaving his point hanging counsel for UCU has now returned to it: "adult female female" is a "dog-whistle".

Not sure he has made any significant points so far. Also, he is now being told off by the judge for going off on a trans ideology tangent.

Yes fair enough!

I think my frustration is the demand that one must argue academically against GI when essentially GI is completely full of shit with not a leg to stand on 🤨. There is no demand in the other direction

DOG WHISTLE! one for the bingo card.

The reference to ADF (I'm guessing a typo for AHF) has put the image of an adult dog female firmly in my mind!
Must be all the talk of dogwhistles

Dr O’Neil (from TT) : [The trans movement is] men who id as woman and women who id as men. Lots of others included under the umbrella. Going into our sport and politics, trying to change our language, removing rights of women to dignity, privacy, single sex spaces.’

And the right to make a film about it.

I'm not sure that the "dog whistle" argument went as counsel for UCU had hoped, and more importantly I think he intended to use it as a platform for other lines of argument, and the judge has now made clear that she views extended discussion of the term, and what people think of the term, as not being a worthwhile use of time.

“Dog whistle” is a “dog whistle” in and of itself. And a thought terminating cliche.