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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Policy Audit - working party

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KnottyAuty · 10/03/2025 13:02

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act protected characteristics please join here 😊

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ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 20/04/2025 13:43

teawamutu · 20/04/2025 13:38

Doing the Midlands Partnership right now. They were looking really good - no mention of trans, clear commitment to single sex accommodation.

And then I looked at what Ermine Amies turned up. And of course it's 'single sex unless a trans patient has a preference' and misgendering as a disciplinary matter.

Fuckers.

By stealth again - the deception! Rage.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 14:07

teawamutu · 20/04/2025 13:38

Doing the Midlands Partnership right now. They were looking really good - no mention of trans, clear commitment to single sex accommodation.

And then I looked at what Ermine Amies turned up. And of course it's 'single sex unless a trans patient has a preference' and misgendering as a disciplinary matter.

Fuckers.

I’m reposting this for all auditors - THIS is exactly what all the trusts we have done so far have been like. Public-facing pages go hard on single-sex spaces, harder to find pages (or only findable using FOIs) say, but if you are trans you can use whatever space you want.

Be aware of this in your searches!

YellowRoom · 20/04/2025 15:30

I've done the background on George Eliot if someone could please send me the template. Same old stuff -
3. Definitions Same-sex accommodation (SSA) is defined as sleeping accommodation, toilet and/or washing facilities which patients or service users share only with people of the same sex.
5.7 Transexual/transgender/non-binary patients... Such patients should be accommodated according to their presentation, the way they dress, and the name and pronouns that they currently use. Sensitivity to all patients should be considered on room allocation and where practical transsexual/transgender/ non-binary patients should be offered a single room accommodation.

This procedure supports the Trust in its delivery of inclusive services and ensures that it does not breach the Equality Act 2010. Under this legislation, a Trans person no longer has to be under medical supervision or have a gender reassignment certificate to prove that they are Transgender. They must be treated as the gender they identify with... and the correct pronouns must be used at all times

They also helpfully shared this -
People who are limited by languages which do not include gender neutral pronouns have attempted to create them, in the interest of greater equality.
HE/SHE HIM/HER HIS/HER HIS/HERS HIMSELF/HE RSELF zie zim zir zis zieself sie sie hir hirs hirself ey em eir eirs eirself ve ver vis vers verself tey ter tem ters terself e em eir eirs emself

KnottyAuty · 20/04/2025 15:54

teawamutu · 20/04/2025 13:38

Doing the Midlands Partnership right now. They were looking really good - no mention of trans, clear commitment to single sex accommodation.

And then I looked at what Ermine Amies turned up. And of course it's 'single sex unless a trans patient has a preference' and misgendering as a disciplinary matter.

Fuckers.

Its the same across the board.

Public facing webpage = single sex accommodation for your dignity and privacy. Hidden policy = gender self ID so mixed sex.

We have to be glad really. It’s a big fuck yo by Stonewall. They were so “clever” fiddling the policies that they forgot to check what the patient facing info said. Difficult for them to claim we all knew what was happening and it’s going to be seriously unpopular. We need to get these all done ASAP to give the EHRC support. Once the public are with them the politicians will have to get out of the way. She’s only got until November so we need all trusts done by the summer?! Best get busy?!

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Faffertea · 20/04/2025 16:23

@TwoLoonsAndASprout

Worcestershire Acute Hospitals NHS Trust policy.

apps.worcsacute.nhs.uk/KeyDocumentPortal/Home/DownloadFile/3827

At the time of writing is not compliant with SC decision.
Im sorry I don’t know how to cross off the list!

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 16:35

YellowRoom · 20/04/2025 15:30

I've done the background on George Eliot if someone could please send me the template. Same old stuff -
3. Definitions Same-sex accommodation (SSA) is defined as sleeping accommodation, toilet and/or washing facilities which patients or service users share only with people of the same sex.
5.7 Transexual/transgender/non-binary patients... Such patients should be accommodated according to their presentation, the way they dress, and the name and pronouns that they currently use. Sensitivity to all patients should be considered on room allocation and where practical transsexual/transgender/ non-binary patients should be offered a single room accommodation.

This procedure supports the Trust in its delivery of inclusive services and ensures that it does not breach the Equality Act 2010. Under this legislation, a Trans person no longer has to be under medical supervision or have a gender reassignment certificate to prove that they are Transgender. They must be treated as the gender they identify with... and the correct pronouns must be used at all times

They also helpfully shared this -
People who are limited by languages which do not include gender neutral pronouns have attempted to create them, in the interest of greater equality.
HE/SHE HIM/HER HIS/HER HIS/HERS HIMSELF/HE RSELF zie zim zir zis zieself sie sie hir hirs hirself ey em eir eirs eirself ve ver vis vers verself tey ter tem ters terself e em eir eirs emself

Apologies - that’s me! Will DM you!

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 16:53

Faffertea · 20/04/2025 16:23

@TwoLoonsAndASprout

Worcestershire Acute Hospitals NHS Trust policy.

apps.worcsacute.nhs.uk/KeyDocumentPortal/Home/DownloadFile/3827

At the time of writing is not compliant with SC decision.
Im sorry I don’t know how to cross off the list!

Thank you! Can I be a total pain and get you to fill in the jotform if I send you the link? It auto generates a table with everyone’s data so makes it easier for us to collate everything…

I’ll DM you - hope that’s ok!

MadameBethune · 20/04/2025 17:48

I can do Kettering General if that's unclaimed?

happy to do any of them actually, so feel free to allocate me one if Kettering is already in progress

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 18:02

MadameBethune · 20/04/2025 17:48

I can do Kettering General if that's unclaimed?

happy to do any of them actually, so feel free to allocate me one if Kettering is already in progress

Kettering is all yours! Will DM you!

Bagpussnotbothered · 20/04/2025 19:04

Add me in for a trust and DM me the form. Where do I find the FOI stuff?

FarriersGirl · 20/04/2025 19:50

@TwoLoonsAndASprout I'[[ look it up and post for you

YellowRoom · 20/04/2025 21:12

I've Submitted George Eliot.

I can do Sandwell and West Birmingham Hospitals NHS Trust tomorrow - or any other available one if taken.

@Bagpussnotbothered https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 21:14

YellowRoom · 20/04/2025 21:12

I've Submitted George Eliot.

I can do Sandwell and West Birmingham Hospitals NHS Trust tomorrow - or any other available one if taken.

@Bagpussnotbothered https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/

Sandwell and Birmingham are yours - thank you!

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 21:22

Midland region updated list:

(shout if you spot any errors!)

Strike through = done, italics = claimed

Birmingham and Solihull

  • Birmingham Community Health Care NHS Foundation Trust
  • Birmingham and Solihull Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust
  • Birmingham Women’s and Children’s Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
  • The Royal Orthopaedic Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
  • University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust

Black Country

  • Black Country Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
  • Sandwell and West Birmingham Hospitals NHS Trust YellowRoom
  • The Dudley Group NHS Foundation Trust
  • The Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust
  • Walsall Healthcare NHS Trust
  • West Midlands Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust

Coventry and Warwickshire

  • Coventry and Warwickshire Partnership NHS Trust
  • George Eliot Hospital NHS Trust YellowRoom [submitted]
  • South Warwickshire NHS Foundation Trust
  • University Hospitals Coventry and Warwickshire NHS Trust

Derby and Derbyshire

  • Chesterfield Royal Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
  • Derbyshire Community Health Services NHS Foundation Trust
  • Derbyshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
  • East Midlands Ambulance Service NHS Trust
  • University Hospitals of Derby and Burton NHS Foundation Trust

Herefordshire and Worcestershire

  • Herefordshire and Worcestershire Health and Care NHS Trust
  • Worcestershire Acute Hospitals NHS Trust Faffertea
  • Wye Valley NHS Trust

Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland

  • Leicestershire Partnership NHS Trust
  • University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust

Lincolnshire

  • Lincolnshire Community Health Services NHS Trust mrshoho
  • Lincolnshire Partnership NHS Foundation Trust mrshoho
  • United Lincolnshire Hospitals NHS Trust mrshoho

Northamptonshire

  • Kettering General Hospital NHS Foundation Trust MadameBethune
  • Northampton General Hospital NHS Trust
  • Northamptonshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trusts Cantunseeit

Nottingham and Nottinghamshire

  • Nottinghamshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust FarriersGirl
  • Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust FarriersGirl
  • Sherwood Forest Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust

Shropshire, Telford and Wrekin

  • Shrewsbury and Telford Hospital NHS Trust
  • Shropshire Community Health NHS Trust teawamutu
  • The Robert Jones and Agnes Hunt Orthopaedic Hospital NHS Foundation Trust teawamutu

Staffordshire and Stoke on Trent

  • North Staffordshire Combined Healthcare NHS Trust
  • Midlands Partnership NHS Foundation Trust teawamutu
  • University Hospitals of North Midlands NHS Trust teawamutu
TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 21:31

If you’ve volunteered but haven’t chosen a trust, the updated list is just above - post on here which one you’d like to do and I’ll DM you the link.

(Might not be until tomorrow at this point though!)

OestreBunny · 20/04/2025 21:32

I helped out last time (different username!). Happy to take Herefordshire and Worcestershire Health and Care NHS Trust

KnottyAuty · 20/04/2025 21:43

OestreBunny · 20/04/2025 21:32

I helped out last time (different username!). Happy to take Herefordshire and Worcestershire Health and Care NHS Trust

Thank you! Would you do me a favour and Dm me under your previous nom de plume?! 😊

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KnottyAuty · 20/04/2025 21:56

we’re up wims!
thought we’d been bumped by all the WhatsApp chatter…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/20/trans-nhs-patients-access-women-only-space-in-london/

https://archive.is/YyrEb

and they’ve got a quote from Helen Joyce - squeal!

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FarriersGirl · 20/04/2025 21:57

@TwoLoonsAndASprout Viper necklace link
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0BZV9RRBB?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 21:59

KnottyAuty · 20/04/2025 21:56

we’re up wims!
thought we’d been bumped by all the WhatsApp chatter…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/20/trans-nhs-patients-access-women-only-space-in-london/

https://archive.is/YyrEb

and they’ve got a quote from Helen Joyce - squeal!

Woot woot!!

Gift linky thingy for people who want to read the comments:

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/84716a16d54d73c7

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 22:05

Damn, that is a thorough article!

Amazing work vipers!! We did this!!!

FarriersGirl · 20/04/2025 22:11

KnottyAuty · 20/04/2025 21:56

we’re up wims!
thought we’d been bumped by all the WhatsApp chatter…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/20/trans-nhs-patients-access-women-only-space-in-london/

https://archive.is/YyrEb

and they’ve got a quote from Helen Joyce - squeal!

Whoop Whoop!!

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/04/2025 22:17

@KnottyAuty, you are amazing - thank you for starting this!!

OestreBunny · 20/04/2025 22:23

KnottyAuty · 20/04/2025 21:56

we’re up wims!
thought we’d been bumped by all the WhatsApp chatter…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/20/trans-nhs-patients-access-women-only-space-in-london/

https://archive.is/YyrEb

and they’ve got a quote from Helen Joyce - squeal!

Well done @KnottyAuty
Wonderful heading: 'Trans NHS patients can access every women-only space in London'

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