Online talk Thurs 25 April 2024: "Deconstructing transphobia" - Dr Natacha Kennedy

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There's an online talk tomorrow afternoon hosted by the Institute of Education (part of UCL) by Dr Natacha Kennedy (from Goldsmiths).

The topic is "Deconstructing transphobia" - "Join this event to hear Natacha Kennedy give an analysis of the different strategies deployed by those opposed to trans people's human rights."

It's from 2.30-4.30pm (which partially overlaps with the Aston University online talk). I'd be interested to learn Dr Kennedy's definition of "transphobia" and who the people "opposed to trans people's human rights" are and how they're doing that. Unfortunately I'm not free to listen in - is anyone else free to attend and report back?

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/ioe/events/2024/apr/deconstructing-transphobia

Not sure Kennedy is an unbiased source.

The Aston talk was cancelled because of 'illness'.

Thanks @IcakethereforeIam - I missed that. How disappointing.

I wonder if Kennedy/Hellen will be there in the capacity of both?
http://www.gjss.org/content/transgender-children-more-theoretical-challenge

Previous thread.

Cant watch it I'm afraid. But I wonder if she'll raise Cass Report. I looked at her recent publications on Research gate and she's quoted from this gem in one paper.

Late in the pre-birth process, the fetus recognizes cues of acceptability within society of what it means to be their gender [51,52]. After birth and by the age of 5 years, a child recognizes their gender; however, the child also recognizes the what gender recognition is acceptable or needs to be concealed/suppressed within the social setting and expects them to be [53,54]. Through the early years, the infant continues to pick up those cues around them.

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Apr 2022
Rogena Sterling

Natacha Kennedy is the first signatory of this letter, so presumably is the author or one of the authors. I'd imagine Cass will feature in the lecture.
http://uncommon-scents.blogspot.com/2024/04/letter-from-academics-concerned-about.html?m=1

Yes, Kennedy/Hellen uploaded it

Lol at someone so academically dishonest they’d pretend to be two people to give their academic paper more weight saying this.
“We suggest that the Cass Review contains unsound methodology, unacceptable bias, and unsupported conclusions. As academics and experts in the field, we regard The Cass Review as potentially harmful to trans children.“

The foetus does what!!! That's crazy.

Mind boggling that people like this can be employed in academia.

Now list which ones have a clue what they're talking about.

My issue with any sort of open letter is that you always get the same people signing to be supportive. They have no credibility on any side. You might as well run a Twitter poll.

It is embarrassing that anyone would write that, let alone quote it or publish it.

Fuck sake.

*Edited to clarify I mean N, not the OP!

Interesting synopsis - wide areas of interest.

https://rogenasterling.wordpress.com/about/

Author of above quote, Rogena Stirling.

Imnobody4 · Yesterday 17:41

Late in the pre-birth process, the fetus recognizes cues of acceptability within society of what it means to be their gender [51,52]. After birth and by the age of 5 years, a child recognizes their gender; however, the child also recognizes the what gender recognition is acceptable or needs to be concealed/suppressed within the social setting and expects them to be.

Crikey, how can these people write such utter drivel and keep a straight face?

It’s amazing that fantasists have managed to gain credibility. There was that whole con where people lie and say that a paper was ‘peer reviewed’ and it would get swallowed whole without question which was exposed by the grievance studies affair. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair

Kennedy was quite happy to pretend Kennedy was two separate people when publishing made up fantasy. Who knows how that wasn’t the end of Kennedy’s career?

What does this mean?

I have been brought up in a sex assigned to me by medical professionals. Always knowing I was different, yet never knowing why I did my best to fit in. I spent my first 40 years trying to understand my assigned sex and how that matched with my inner sex identity that I could not express. It was not until I accessed my university library when I returned to University that I investigated by medical background.
This changed my life. I discovered that I was intersex. My life suddenly made sense. What I was feeling through my childhood and throughout my life now had become clear. It was actually natural. This discovery enabled me to make sense of my life and the biology and medical issues I had, but I then faced a new set of challenges in a world not ready for diversity, especially sex diversity.

if he's really 'intersex' (meaning a dsd I assume), then given it's obvious from his face that he is an XY individual who's had working gonads at some point, where's the misassignment? (He's wearing a dress so his story only makes sense if he was AMAB.)

Now I'm all in favour of people with complex DSDs making their own minds up about what sex they are, and his biology and medical issues are clearly none of my business, but, really, this just doesn't hang together.

I realise by now you think I'm disingenuous or naive, but I do have a question - does this narrative of trans = DSD have legs, and is it on the up (or old-fashioned/dying out)? Because a standard protocol for DSDs is gonadectomy and cross-sex hormones before puberty starts and I should think they'd be delighted with that (also less health-damaging than puberty blockers).

@fromthegecko - I suppose it's possible to be both intersex/have a DSD and be trans? One might acknowledge the sex one is, but also feel dysphoria about gender. Having a DSD doesn't preclude someone from also feeling dysphoric, as it's a separate issue.

The numbers are tiny so there's little data (only one trans (FtM) CAIS individual that I know of, which must be tricky given they are androgen insensitive). In practice people with complex DSDs get to choose their sex (and appropriate treatment, if it's the opposite of their gonadal or genital sex), and they can correct their birth certificate in the UK, which is different from getting a GRC. So dysphoria doesn't arise.

if he's really 'intersex' (meaning a dsd I assume), then given it's obvious from his face that he is an XY individual who's had working gonads at some point, where's the misassignment? (He's wearing a dress so his story only makes sense if he was AMAB.)

My assumption is that "I discovered that I was intersex" means that he discovered that there was this thing called "intersex" and decided to identify into that, maybe in the sense of having an "intersex of the brain" pseudo condition.

Yes @nauticant . I have been into an online rabbit-hole where a man was claiming that taking female sex hormones was making his penis start to naturally invert and was on the way to becoming a vagina.

Some of these things should remain private fantasies inside an individual’s head and certainly shouldn’t be spoken out load without someone saying <<cough<bullshit >cough>> at the very least.

fromthegecko · Today 11:13

if he's really 'intersex' (meaning a dsd I assume), then given it's obvious from his face that he is an XY individual who's had working gonads at some point, where's the misassignment? (He's wearing a dress so his story only makes sense if he was AMAB.)

No, them is bull-shitting.

I realise by now you think I'm disingenuous or naive, but I do have a question - does this narrative of trans = DSD have legs, and is it on the up (or old-fashioned/dying out)?

I recall from these threads that the Tavistock stopped bothering to test its patients, because DSDs were no more, or possibly less prevalent in people presenting themselves a trans, compared to the general population

I think Mr Ms Kennedy is trolling us with the unusual spelling of their first name. It's an anagram of "ha an act"

Crankywiddershins · Today 14:09

^I think ... Ms Kennedy is trolling us with the unusual spelling of their first name. It's an anagram of "ha an act"

Oh, very good!