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Hoplittlebunnyhophophopandstop · 06/04/2024 21:38

It’s behind a pay wall.

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 21:38

'Transgender children face grave psychological consequences if they are allowed to “socially transition”, a landmark review is expected to say this week.

The warning comes amid a huge rise in the number of children identifying as transgender, and deep concern that schools have been allowing pupils to change gender without their parents’ knowledge, despite Government guidance to the contrary.

The Cass review into gender identity services for children, which will be published on Wednesday, has promised to consider the “important role of schools” and the challenges they face in responding to “gender-questioning” pupils.'

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ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 21:40

'The review, led by Dame Hilary Cass, will include an analysis of scientific literature on the effects and outcomes of social transitioning.

It is expected to say that children may experience “psychological” repercussions as a result of being allowed to change their name and pronoun to the gender of their choice. The interim report released in 2022 noted that changing a child’s name and pronouns was “not a neutral act”.

Prepubescent children should not be put on the same “pathway” as older adolescents who wish to identify as the opposite gender, the final review is expected to say.

The review’s findings are likely to be reflected in the Department for Education’s (DfE) official guidance for teachers on how to deal with transgender children, the final version of which is due to be published later this year.

Following the publication of the interim review in 2022, it was announced that the Tavistock transgender clinic would be shut down after it was deemed to be unsafe for children.

NHS England said it would instead move young people who believed that they were trans into regional centres that take a more “holistic” approach to treatment and look at other mental health or medical issues they may have.'

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OldCrone · 06/04/2024 21:47

Archived here:
https://web.archive.org/

Just c&p the url from the OP into the search box. I can't post a direct link because MN corrupts it.

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 21:55

Thanks, Crone, I couldn't find it! And struggling to c and p while switching ...

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ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 21:57

'Schools to clinics pipeline’ concerns

Since the publication of the interim review, concerns have been raised with Dame Hilary about the “schools to clinics pipeline”, in which children are allowed to live as the opposite gender, thereby creating demand for more serious medical interventions later.

Earlier this week, the biggest survey of its kind revealed that primary school teachers were letting pupils change their name and pronoun without informing their families.

An analysis of more than 600 school equality and trans policies reveals that up to three-quarters misrepresent laws protecting sex and gender, with some implementing rules that allow boys to use girls’ lavatories and changing rooms if they say they are a girl.

It also emerged this week that a group of Church of England schools told teachers that they would probably be breaking the law if they said a person cannot change their biological sex.

Maya Forstater, the chief executive of the charity Sex Matters, who has spoken to Dame Hilary and her team, said: “Doctors are having to deal with gender-confused children who have already been socially transitioned at school for years, and are, as a result, very disturbed by the idea of going through puberty, which will develop their secondary sex characteristics. If social transitioning in schools is stopped, it will take the pressure off clinics.

“The Department for Education needs to say there is no way to keep children safe in schools while you are pretending that a boy is a girl, or that a girl is a boy. You are putting children through a psychological experiment with no clinical oversight. The whole thing is a fantasy being sold to children by adults who should know better.”'

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nauticant · 06/04/2024 21:59

That could be one of the best things achieved from the near decade of campaigning against gender identity ideology.

We're expecting a Labour government to wave through all kinds of regressive measures in the name of gender identity ideology but with a good Cass Review they'll have to actively overturn safeguarding for children and young people. If a government is seen to do that, then they know that they will own the consequences.

This is the gift given to us by Keira Bell. The genderists will go on about winning in the Court of Appeal, but the actual result was to finally get scrutiny into the state of gender-based medicine the UK. Well done Keira.

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 21:59

'Prof Michael Biggs, a sociologist at Oxford University, said: “We do know from a longitudinal Dutch study that there is compelling evidence that socially transitioning does lock in transgender identity.

Social transition ‘locks in’ identity
“It measured gender dysphoria before puberty and then came back several years later. You cannot treat it as an innocuous measure.

“I am hoping that the review will acknowledge that this was a major intervention which prepared the ground for medical interventions. We have to at the very least understand that this is the beginning of the process of physical transition.”

Last month, the NHS announced an immediate ban on prescribing puberty blockers to under-18s unless they are part of a clinical trial. Ministers said the “landmark decision” was in children’s “best interests” and would help to ensure youngsters who feel their gender is not the same as their sex are treated using medical evidence.

But campaigners warned of a loophole since there is nothing to stop transgender children getting hold of puberty blockers from private clinics.

The Cass review is expected to note the dangers of obtaining such drugs from private doctors and also raise the prospect that this could restrict their access to future NHS care for gender dysphoria.

In 2021-22, the NHS reported more than 5,000 referrals to the Gender Identity Development Service run by Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust, up from just under 250 who were questioning their gender a decade earlier.

Draft guidance from the DfE, published at the end of last year, told schools to presume that a child could not change gender.

Under the new “parent-first” approach, head teachers must tell parents if their child wants to change gender. The guidance had been promised since 2018 but was delayed amid a disagreement within the Government over how to respond to the rise in the number of children who say they are trans.

Some gender-critical campaigners have said it does not go far enough because it does not ban social transitioning completely.

Ministers had considered an outright ban on social transitioning, but Victoria Prentis, the Attorney General, advised that such a move would be unlawful under the Equality Act 2010'

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ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 22:00

nauticant · 06/04/2024 21:59

That could be one of the best things achieved from the near decade of campaigning against gender identity ideology.

We're expecting a Labour government to wave through all kinds of regressive measures in the name of gender identity ideology but with a good Cass Review they'll have to actively overturn safeguarding for children and young people. If a government is seen to do that, then they know that they will own the consequences.

This is the gift given to us by Keira Bell. The genderists will go on about winning in the Court of Appeal, but the actual result was to finally get scrutiny into the state of gender-based medicine the UK. Well done Keira.

Yes. And all the medics, whistle-blowers, and detransitioners.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2024 22:06

This is so important. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that pretending to a child that they're the opposite sex is screwing with their psychological development. Let alone the harm caused by stopping puberty.

If this is as the Telegraph report, then the adults have finally returned to the room and society can start again to safeguard children again from this adult ideology.

Madcats · 06/04/2024 22:30

I wonder how the BBC are going to report this one? I doubt that it will get a mention on the website or TV, but it ought to sneak onto R4.

Justin is scheduled to present Today on Wednesday with Jonny Dymond, with Nick Robinson and Jonny on Thursday. Dare we hope Women's Hour will invite somebody who knows what they are talking about as well?

IcakethereforeIam · 06/04/2024 22:30

Archive link for the OP's Telegraph article

https://archive.ph/dBK7G

Fenlandia · 06/04/2024 22:34

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2024 22:06

This is so important. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that pretending to a child that they're the opposite sex is screwing with their psychological development. Let alone the harm caused by stopping puberty.

If this is as the Telegraph report, then the adults have finally returned to the room and society can start again to safeguard children again from this adult ideology.

Exactly. You never hear of schools affirming to a child that it would be perfectly fine to change their mind about their gender identification at any time once they have gone through the social transition. The child's new gender is treated like a pronouncement on stone from the heavens, which all must go along with.

DrBlackbird · 06/04/2024 22:34

It’s just tragic that this will have come too late for so many vulnerable, unhappy as well as autistic young people. I know some for whom a social transition has made it v v difficult for them to change their mind, especially those who have quite rigid black and white thinking. They cannot back out.

Boiledbeetle · 06/04/2024 22:38

Roll on Wednesday. The TRAs will be having conniptions

Helleofabore · 06/04/2024 22:40

It sounds like this will be good to finally get published either way. This snippet sounds promising, but then it seems to fit with other papers released recently.

I wonder how WPATH are going to react? I do hope though that some other countries who have seemed slow on following UK on this will now react. Considering the calcium build up in atrophying testes as per last week’s published study, and last week or two’s new Dutch study, I cannot see how how any country can continue to ignore the issues around puberty blockers for a start.

I look forward to reading this.

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 22:44

Madcats · 06/04/2024 22:30

I wonder how the BBC are going to report this one? I doubt that it will get a mention on the website or TV, but it ought to sneak onto R4.

Justin is scheduled to present Today on Wednesday with Jonny Dymond, with Nick Robinson and Jonny on Thursday. Dare we hope Women's Hour will invite somebody who knows what they are talking about as well?

Some other media outlet should be reporting on the BBC's lack of reporting, misinformation, and bias.

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SidewaysOtter · 06/04/2024 22:47

Well, well, well.

And how are the “affirmation only” crowd going to spin this?

WinterTrees · 06/04/2024 22:48

Is next week Emma Barnett's last one at Woman's Hour? Just in time to go out with a bang on this (because I doubt any of the other presenters will touch it.)

TitusMoan · 06/04/2024 22:58

Boiledbeetle · 06/04/2024 22:38

Roll on Wednesday. The TRAs will be having conniptions

Don’t you mean, ‘their existence will be literally erased’ ?

😉

AnneLovesGilbert · 06/04/2024 23:16

Thank you for the copy and paste, this sounds fantastic. Is there any chance it might not be all we hope?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2024 23:28

AnneLovesGilbert · 06/04/2024 23:16

Thank you for the copy and paste, this sounds fantastic. Is there any chance it might not be all we hope?

I've no doubt it will be carefully and diplomatically phrased. Cass is taking on the medical / political / education establishments (plus the BBC / media) who have all swallowed the transactivist line hook, line and sinker. But she's already been explicit that socially transitioning children is not a neutral act.

I can't see it likely that she'll support what is in effect an unevidenced mass psychological experiment on children.

Society is going to have to work out how to get all these organisations across that golden bridge and most importantly, how to support all the children & families who've been sold this lie that sex change is possible and will cure their allied mental health problems.

Runor · 07/04/2024 06:02

I do hope that the report is clear enough to immediately and directly challenge the teaching unions - lots of them seem to think it is teachers who should be deciding whether children should be allowed (or even encouraged) to socially transition

RedToothBrush · 07/04/2024 06:22

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 21:38

'Transgender children face grave psychological consequences if they are allowed to “socially transition”, a landmark review is expected to say this week.

The warning comes amid a huge rise in the number of children identifying as transgender, and deep concern that schools have been allowing pupils to change gender without their parents’ knowledge, despite Government guidance to the contrary.

The Cass review into gender identity services for children, which will be published on Wednesday, has promised to consider the “important role of schools” and the challenges they face in responding to “gender-questioning” pupils.'

Cass Review in a 'no shit Sherlock' conclusion to anyone who has come across or thinks for more than about 5 minutes about the subject rather than repeating mantras.

RedToothBrush · 07/04/2024 06:31

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2024 22:06

This is so important. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that pretending to a child that they're the opposite sex is screwing with their psychological development. Let alone the harm caused by stopping puberty.

If this is as the Telegraph report, then the adults have finally returned to the room and society can start again to safeguard children again from this adult ideology.

I bet the review doesn't touch on psychological harm to others children around the socially transitioned one either.

Quite honestly I regard parents who socially transition their child at primary school complete monsters.

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