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Woman's hour 2nd April 2024 JKR's 'hate' thread

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WarriorN · 02/04/2024 10:08

First item is the Hate bill and JK's tweets - they did invite her on but haven't heard back yet

For women Scotland will be on too.

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ArabellaScott · 03/04/2024 15:02

Another image of a transman and a transwoman. It's not hard to tell the sex of either of these people.

Woman's hour 2nd April 2024 JKR's 'hate' thread
RedToothBrush · 03/04/2024 15:04

I'm answering all the questions thrown at me, then getting in to trouble for answering them. I'll return to my original point, then I am out.

"I spout bollocks, wonder why I'm challenged for pedalling misleading crap or total disinformation which is harmful and coercive on a regular basis and don't take ownership for when its demonstrated this is at odds with law and research and then EVERY SINGLE TIME I flounce and play the victim for it when I've got suitably pwned."

Some would say that Dadjoke's entire point is to deliberately instill fear into women and to muddy the waters and to make them doubt their rights and what the law says.

Suffice to say, if you say its 'The Law', the chances are it fundamentally isn't if its coming from from him.

You know how Twitter now has community notes. Well just that. MN should have them too.

domineastronomy · 03/04/2024 15:05

@LarkLane
I agree - posters write in an articulate and considered way but our resident plopper has no intention of reading them. Total waste of effort.

Waitwhat23 · 03/04/2024 15:16

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2024 14:51

Was Katie Dolatowski banned from women's toilets because they were a known threat to women?

If they had been, wouldn't there have been the potential to add yet another charge of aggrevated harm to the charges laid therefore extending the length and severity of sentence?

Why aren't we making laws along these lines rather than trying to a) criminalise women for trying to protect themselves b) making straw man arguments that this wouldn't have prevented this particular crime c) assuming that because this particular crime might not have been preventable there isn't an argument to criminalise men who use single sex facilities because of vouyerism and because the status quote tends to disempower women from challenging men when it is right and appropriate for them to do so being they are fearful of point a).

Funny how these conversations always go a particular way and aren't reframed in this way.

Its almost as if its about mens rights being more important than the rights and protections of women and children.

tilts head

Anyone (rational) would think that was obvious but when you see that Dadjoke is (as far as I can tell, in all sincerity) telling women that, as long as a rapist has 'done his time', we should be rolling out the red carpet for him to access women's single sex services, it's very clear that DJ believes that men's rights are more important than women and girls.

Brefugee · 03/04/2024 15:17

It's gone from the original OP here and associated discussion, to an insistence by a man than Isla Bryson has a right to use the women's toilets when he's served his time.

to be fair, as with so many of those who were affected by POGD - Bryson is likely to detrans immediately on release anyway. So it will be a moot point. (unless he keeps the wig so he can attack someone in a toilet, time will tell)

LarkLane · 03/04/2024 15:21

@Brefugee POGD means Particle Optimized Gradient Descent to me🤔

Justnot · 03/04/2024 15:24

DJ throughout the judgement, it refers to Schedule 3 exemptions, basically saying it’s fine as it is and if he thought the exemptions weren’t being applied properly he would have done something about it ( crap paraphrasing but am bored now and fucking off to the Rape Crisis thread)

We now know they haven’t been applied properly

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/04/2024 15:27

LarkLane · 03/04/2024 14:48

I'm going to have to hide the thread because watching women constantly responding to this guy is doing my head in. There's showing him he's wrong for the benefit of lurkers - which is one thing, and there's allowing yourself to be used to keep a mans fantasy of rapists in womens toilets running.

There's a plopper who was on another FWR thread recently who has pictures up on another platorm of himself in terrible blue underpants. He's hidden his face but is inviting admiration of his manly physique. Yuk.

Yep.

I'm getting to the same place.

Just grey rock.

WarriorN · 03/04/2024 15:28

I missed WH today; any mention of what was on yesterday?

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Brefugee · 03/04/2024 15:32

LarkLane · 03/04/2024 15:21

@Brefugee POGD means Particle Optimized Gradient Descent to me🤔

sorry.

RebelliousCow · 03/04/2024 16:11

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 14:18

Some single sex spaces are never delineated in that way, some are. That was the point I was making. You can't exclude women who have served their time for sexual offences against women from women's bathrooms.

Lily Cade has admitted to sexual assault on female victims. There might be single sex spaces from which she should be banned, but toilets aren't one of them.

You must be American - hence the reference to 'bathrooms'. The U.K is not the U.S and what goes there does not necessarily follow suit here at all.

As I understand it, U.S states are one by one challenging the notion that males should be allowed to use female facilities, as well as to compete in female sporting categories.

borntobequiet · 03/04/2024 16:15

These many many pages of tedious mansplaining are a disincentive to any woman to have any man (even one in a dress) in her space, ever, lest he engage her in conversation.

ApocalipstickNow · 03/04/2024 16:24

I don’t understand how all the lesbians are getting to date other lesbians when everyone mistakes them for men🤷‍♀️(Sarcasm)

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2024 16:33

RebelliousCow · 03/04/2024 16:11

You must be American - hence the reference to 'bathrooms'. The U.K is not the U.S and what goes there does not necessarily follow suit here at all.

As I understand it, U.S states are one by one challenging the notion that males should be allowed to use female facilities, as well as to compete in female sporting categories.

Edited

I did wonder that exact thought.

Nitpicking being autocorrected to nutpicking made me wonder. It also isn't the first time.

pickledandpuzzled · 03/04/2024 17:02

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 14:48

I'm answering all the questions thrown at me, then getting in to trouble for answering them. I'll return to my original point, then I am out.

Listing bad actors in a protected category and implying that all members of that category should suffer as a result of their behaviour is the weapon of MRAs, racists, homophobes and other bigots throughout the ages, usually with the excuse that it protects women and girls. JK Rowling is just following in the storied footsteps of Anita Bryant.

"What these people really want, hidden behind obscure legal phrases, is the legal right to propose to our children that theirs is an acceptable alternate way of life. ... I will lead such a crusade to stop it as this country has not seen before."

No, no, no, that’s more misrepresentation.

JKR listed men who have used the tolerance given to old style transsexuals under the GRA’s legal fiction, to abuse women.

Her list is not a set of bad actors to misrepresent trans people. It’s a very clear demonstration of why singe sex categories and safe guarding must not be undermined by men who can’t take no for an answer.

Women are sick of men stealing our stuff. They can just piss off.

Tinysoxxx · 03/04/2024 17:04

borntobequiet · 03/04/2024 16:15

These many many pages of tedious mansplaining are a disincentive to any woman to have any man (even one in a dress) in her space, ever, lest he engage her in conversation.

😂poor cat just spiked up, as I snorted tea out at that!

WickedSerious · 03/04/2024 17:15

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 12:59

Isla Bryson is, and should, be kept on the men's estate, as is the current policy, as Sturgeon confirmed. She was briefly held in solitary on the women's estate. As always, people should be treated on a case-by-case basis. A trans women who has committed non-sexual, non-violent crimes should go to the women's estate.

You seem very keen for men to have access to unconsenting women.

ApocalipstickNow · 03/04/2024 17:18

I’d just like to pull this bit out of dad’s post

”- Service providers should be aware that where a transsexual person is visually and for all practical purposes indistinguishable from a non-transsexual person of that gender, they should normally be treated according to their acquired gender, unless there are strong reasons to the contrary.”

and ask are you seriously suggesting Isla Bryson is
“ visually and for all practical purposes indistinguishable from a non-transsexual person of that gender”
because I suspect his victims would not agree with you.

Choochuw · 03/04/2024 17:23

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 12:59

Isla Bryson is, and should, be kept on the men's estate, as is the current policy, as Sturgeon confirmed. She was briefly held in solitary on the women's estate. As always, people should be treated on a case-by-case basis. A trans women who has committed non-sexual, non-violent crimes should go to the women's estate.

Uhh no.

You mean a TW that's been CAUGHT.

Any man, trapped in prison with no acess to sex, which many of us women know some men feel is a RIGHT, you know the kind of men that end up in prison, should not be around women.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/04/2024 17:54

Dadjoke has yet again made a thread all about Dadjoke and his bigoted beliefs.

Thank goodness we have women like JKR on TRSOH.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/04/2024 18:29

Choochuw · 03/04/2024 17:23

Uhh no.

You mean a TW that's been CAUGHT.

Any man, trapped in prison with no acess to sex, which many of us women know some men feel is a RIGHT, you know the kind of men that end up in prison, should not be around women.

This.

Prison is not supposed to be a gender affirming space.

If you don't want to be imprisoned with other criminals of your own sex, don't commit crimes. Simples.

Mochudubh · 03/04/2024 18:49

Indignant Willyboaby is, being interviewed on BBC Scotland The Nine tonight if anyone's interested. (I have a dog to bath).

Boiledbeetle · 03/04/2024 18:50

Mochudubh · 03/04/2024 18:49

Indignant Willyboaby is, being interviewed on BBC Scotland The Nine tonight if anyone's interested. (I have a dog to bath).

I'll be busy polishing the roof

LarkLane · 03/04/2024 18:55

Oh Dear.
How sad.
I'll be watching the Footie.
Never Mind

(Look forward to the FWR analysis)

WickedSerious · 03/04/2024 19:12

Boiledbeetle · 03/04/2024 18:50

I'll be busy polishing the roof

It's way past time I rearranged the fridge magnets.

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