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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The chair of SEEN is being sued.

514 replies

PriOn1 · 19/03/2024 18:07

We can’t post Crowdfunder links here, but there is now a Crowdfunder entitled “Chair of SEEN sued for saying 'only women menstruate'by Elspeth Duemmer Wrigley”

Text from website:

Who are you?
I'm Elspeth Duemmer Wrigley. I work for an arms-length body to a government department (part of the Civil Service) and love my job. I'm also gender critical, and chair of a governmental department SEEN (Sex Equality and Equity Network). SEEN represents those who are gender critical in our workplace.
What can you tell us?
The way I describe the case is restrained by my situation. I am writing this in a personal capacity, but am still employed and must comply with my employer's code of conduct and the Nolan Principles of Public Life. This places certain restrictions on me.
I’ve given as much information as I can, but I hope that what I set out below is sufficient to understand what’s going on.
So what happened?
I work for an arms-length body to the main government department. The case has been brought by a claimant who is an employee of another arms-length body. The claimant is taking their own employer, the government department and me to court.
Among other matters, the claimant is suing the government department for allowing our departmental SEEN network to exist (on the basis that the existence of the network has the effect of creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating and/or offensive environment for the claimant).
What is the SEEN network?
SEEN (the Sex Equality and Equity Network) is an official cross-governmental staff network. We also have networks in three government departments (including the one being taken to court). SEEN is known as the gender critical network and is the only civil service network that clearly treats sex and sexual orientation as concepts defined in the Equality Act, which should never be conflated with or replaced by ‘gender identity’.

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DisappearingGirl · 08/06/2026 13:59

Donated x

MarieDeGournay · 08/06/2026 14:36

SqueakyDinosaur · 08/06/2026 13:38

I once saw a picture of a woman in probably her 70s at a protest, with a placard saying "I can't believe I'm THIS OLD and still having to protest this shit". That's pretty much how I feel - my first active involvement was against David Alton's 1987 attempt to restrict abortion availability.

You might like this badge I saw online!

The chair of SEEN is being sued.
RumNotRun · 08/06/2026 15:05

Planted some seeds and let some GC colleagues know.

@MarieDeGournay where did you see that badge?

TrainedByCatsToBeScathing · 08/06/2026 15:07

Donated again.

I can’t believe we’re still having to put money into cases to defend our right not to subscribe to such a ridiculous and misogynistic belief system, but here we are and I’ll continue to contribute as long as it’s needed.

Rightsraptor · 08/06/2026 15:53

I've just checked EDW's Crowdfunder but can't see any mention of it being in Leeds. Can I ask where you saw this? She might appreciate a bit of local support.

Tallisker · 08/06/2026 16:37

biddyboo · 08/06/2026 10:51

I think Tribunal Tweets will be covering it. I'm not sure about watching online. It will be at Leeds Crown Court.

The Crown Court? Not the Employment Tribunal Court? I googled courts in Leeds as I am hoping to be able to attend some days. Gotta see Naomi Cunningham in real life 😁

FarriersGirl · 08/06/2026 16:48

Tallisker · 08/06/2026 16:37

The Crown Court? Not the Employment Tribunal Court? I googled courts in Leeds as I am hoping to be able to attend some days. Gotta see Naomi Cunningham in real life 😁

I was wondering the same thing as I can get to Leeds for a day or two of this case.

biddyboo · 08/06/2026 16:57

Tallisker · 08/06/2026 16:37

The Crown Court? Not the Employment Tribunal Court? I googled courts in Leeds as I am hoping to be able to attend some days. Gotta see Naomi Cunningham in real life 😁

Oh sorry, I have no idea which court in Leeds, just that it will be in Leeds.

EdithStourton · 08/06/2026 17:09

I've just done a spot of gardening.

AlexandraLeaving · 08/06/2026 21:01

MarieDeGournay · 08/06/2026 15:11

Good question RumNotRun! - I'll have a look and let you know.Smile
Well that didn't take long, I found it before I even posted the above - the power of the internet, innit?😄
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Thank you. I note they are offering a discount for bulk purchases :)

Sausageroll99 · 09/06/2026 08:03

This case is being heard on 22 June 2026. Does anyone know the name of the case; which ET it’s being held at?

biddyboo · 09/06/2026 08:46

Sausageroll99 · 09/06/2026 08:03

This case is being heard on 22 June 2026. Does anyone know the name of the case; which ET it’s being held at?

I believe it's Samantha Tempest v Rural Payment Agency & Defra. The claimant wasn't granted anonymity.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 09/06/2026 13:47

Gosh this has been going on so long it’s a previous name of mine.

I am Northern and due some annual leave so a day or two in Leeds to attend in person could very well be in order. Watching with interest, in the meantime off to do some gardening.

anyolddinosaur · Yesterday 10:36

Tribunal Tweets have this case listed on their substack so are presumably hoping to tweet about it. https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/tempest-vs-defra-and-rural-payments

Any volunteers to copy and paste if they do? Garden could still do with some extra plants.

MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 10:50

MarieDeGournay · 08/06/2026 15:11

Good question RumNotRun! - I'll have a look and let you know.Smile
Well that didn't take long, I found it before I even posted the above - the power of the internet, innit?😄
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I promise I do not have shares in this company, I know nothing about them, and just came across it randomly while googling - but they have some excellent badges which, whether intentionally or not, express some things often found on threads like this, e.g.
'Well behaved women rarely make history',
'Weird Girls Club' [the apostrophe is absent so it's the 'weird but not pedantic girls club'],
'Courage, dear hearts' - if I knew Maya Forstater personally, I'd buy her that as a WORIADS 5th Birthday present💜
'Carry yourself with the confidence of a mediocre white man'
and my personal favourite:
'Radicalised by basic decency'

edited to add that I've just seen this on their website
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thirdfiddle · Yesterday 10:57

To be pedantic, I suppose it could be a club to celebrate weird girls rather than a club belonging to weird girls?

MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 10:57

Oh. That company with the wonderful badges is in Australia. Good news for some, overseas shipping and long waits for others.😐

Ariana12 · Yesterday 11:59

Thanks for alerting us. I hope the primary respondent - the employer - is taking a robust line on this!

duc748 · Yesterday 12:01

Planted a few parsnips this morning.

Tallisker · Yesterday 12:11

Ariana12 · Yesterday 11:59

Thanks for alerting us. I hope the primary respondent - the employer - is taking a robust line on this!

The employer is so captured they would have conceded to the trans activist early on. They will be on his side. I think they’re only nominally defending themselves. If the TRA loses this case, there could be mass resignations of civil servants from the employer (bring it on, I say) and loads of blustering and posturing like there is about the FWS Supreme Court result.

anyolddinosaur · Yesterday 12:13

the employer has employed the infamous Jane Russell KC, so maybe they want to lose. Naomi will be there too though.

Tallisker · Yesterday 12:14

I really want one of those badges to wear to court while I watch. I might get beaten up for it though by the complainant’s supporters. Ho hum. Another little old lady being threatened by TRAs might be welcome sunlight. I might wear my terf island badge too. And my veterans badge to warn them I’m a trained killer 🤣