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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sara Morrison vs Belfast Film Festival

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NorthernIrishFeminist · 23/01/2024 14:58

Employers seem to be slow learners when it comes to women's rights! There’s another employment tribunal case being brought by a woman who attended and took the microphone at a Let Women Speak event in Belfast last year and has been treated very badly by her employer Belfast Film Festival as a result.

Looks like we’re going to have to keep gardening until they get the message.

disclaimer. I don’t know Sara and have no connection to BFF I’m just a woman who likes donating to causes that make a difference

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MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 11:59

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 11:57

MD it was like a gut punch, when she said that bringing my daughter into the conversation like that and painting the ... picture involving my daughter. It was very challenging.

I think MD is a Terf when it comes to the thought of her daughter sharing a changing room with a man identifying as a woman ...

Yes, mixed sex facilities, but only for other people's daughters..

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 11:59

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 11:57

MD it was like a gut punch, when she said that bringing my daughter into the conversation like that
Yeah right🙄

I imagine it is a bit of a gut punch to be asked a question that brings the cognitive dissonance required by this ideology into plain view...

Prestissimo · 12/11/2025 11:59

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 11:57

MD it was like a gut punch, when she said that bringing my daughter into the conversation like that and painting the ... picture involving my daughter. It was very challenging.

I think MD is a Terf when it comes to the thought of her daughter sharing a changing room with a man identifying as a woman ...

I suspect a lot of 'trans allies' are TERFs when it comes to personal stuff like this. It's much easier to give away other people's rights and dismiss concerns of groups such as NHS nurses or rape victims if you don't imagine yourself ever being in that situation. Much harder when it's your actual young daughter...

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 12:00

From NW

NC human beings work better using vivid, concrete illustrations, rather than abstractions
MD "i think using fear based examples is a kind of low way to go"
NC but isn't that import...
MD "it's a very fear laden example to give me about my child"
NC "but safeguarding 101 is to take nothing on trust. Everyone wants their child to be protected"
MD "of course, yes"
NC and if we look at your statement...
MD [suddenly] I actually need a break.
[judge offers ten minute break]

[at 11.47am NC suggested a break, given we were possibly going on till 1.10pm. MD was offered a break, but said she was fine to carry on.]

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 12:01

[break]

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 12:03

MD is presenting herself as all nicey-nicey and concerned about SM, but the corrosive effect of genderwoo means that even if - IF - she actually cared about SM's wellbeing, there was no place for SM in BFF because SM believes in biology.

Prestissimo · 12/11/2025 12:03

taking advantage of the break to thank @MyrtleLion for your sterling C+P on this this morning

Keenovay · 12/11/2025 12:04

MD it could have been said better

"It ain't what you say, it's the way that you say it."

(with apologies to Bananarama)

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 12:04

Prestissimo · 12/11/2025 12:03

taking advantage of the break to thank @MyrtleLion for your sterling C+P on this this morning

Seconded!

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 12:07

Thirdeded thanks to Myrtle😄

MD's need for a break at that point is interesting - obvs I can't see what's going on but I wonder if she is upset because she realises the excellent NC is painting her into a corner, and if she is using the mention o f her daughter as an excuse to display distress and have a break?
Very cynical of me, and based only on transcripts, so maybe unfair to MD.
But some of her evidence has been disingenuous and strangely combative towards NC herself.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 12/11/2025 12:08

This one from: Seven Pound Sadie Suggs She/Her W.
"Graham Linehan says he will be there
Bring tomato soup and stepladders - he's a
6'5" adult baby"
NC do you know the tomato soup ref?
MD no
NC [explains]
MD I knew nothing about it

No smoke? Must be wearing flame retardant pants or be very, very disconnected from the debate

YouCantProveIt · 12/11/2025 12:12

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 11:59

Yes, mixed sex facilities, but only for other people's daughters..

She asked for a break after this

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 12:12

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 12:07

Thirdeded thanks to Myrtle😄

MD's need for a break at that point is interesting - obvs I can't see what's going on but I wonder if she is upset because she realises the excellent NC is painting her into a corner, and if she is using the mention o f her daughter as an excuse to display distress and have a break?
Very cynical of me, and based only on transcripts, so maybe unfair to MD.
But some of her evidence has been disingenuous and strangely combative towards NC herself.

Could MD be peaking in real time, or is that too much to ask? 😬

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 12:14

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 12:12

Could MD be peaking in real time, or is that too much to ask? 😬

That would be goodSmile
But she may also be doing that thing that people do when they are caught out, they burst into tears and say you're being horrible to them and how could you possibly believe that they would ever do anything nasty, and you end up being the bad guy?😒
Won't work with NCWink

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 12:18

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 12:14

That would be goodSmile
But she may also be doing that thing that people do when they are caught out, they burst into tears and say you're being horrible to them and how could you possibly believe that they would ever do anything nasty, and you end up being the bad guy?😒
Won't work with NCWink

True , true.

Or suddenly remembering something in her statement and thinking 'shit, shit, shit!'.

NC is not taking any nonsense today!

Boiledbeetle · 12/11/2025 12:18

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 12:12

Could MD be peaking in real time, or is that too much to ask? 😬

I wish I was there. A live peaking, AND NC in the room!

Boiledbeetle · 12/11/2025 12:19

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 12:14

That would be goodSmile
But she may also be doing that thing that people do when they are caught out, they burst into tears and say you're being horrible to them and how could you possibly believe that they would ever do anything nasty, and you end up being the bad guy?😒
Won't work with NCWink

You think she's maybe doing a Kate Searle?

weegielass · 12/11/2025 12:19
waynes world GIF

I lurve Naomi.

weegielass · 12/11/2025 12:24

DH has just asked when Pete is making an appearance, he's invested too!

BettyBooper · 12/11/2025 12:28

Boiledbeetle · 12/11/2025 12:18

I wish I was there. A live peaking, AND NC in the room!

I know!

Can't wait to hear from @NoBinturongsHereMate

duc748 · 12/11/2025 12:35

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 12:07

Thirdeded thanks to Myrtle😄

MD's need for a break at that point is interesting - obvs I can't see what's going on but I wonder if she is upset because she realises the excellent NC is painting her into a corner, and if she is using the mention o f her daughter as an excuse to display distress and have a break?
Very cynical of me, and based only on transcripts, so maybe unfair to MD.
But some of her evidence has been disingenuous and strangely combative towards NC herself.

Sounds exactly like that.

and strangely combative towards NC herself.

Bold tactics those! If you aim for the queen, etc...

MarieDeGournay · 12/11/2025 12:38

Long break, has it morphed into lunch? Or is MD taking a long time to compose herself, and her barrister complaining to the judge or something??

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 12/11/2025 12:38

MD they are both larger than life characters

Sarah Palin - my go to when I need an example of a 'larger than life character'

duc748 · 12/11/2025 12:42

Referencing Sarah Palin surely not only implies 'right-wing', but also 'thick as pigshit'?

thewaythatyoudoit · 12/11/2025 12:44

duc748 · 12/11/2025 12:42

Referencing Sarah Palin surely not only implies 'right-wing', but also 'thick as pigshit'?

Mad, I think, as well as thick

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