Another GC employment tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #3

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gener Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2

And all they have to throw at Rachel is her asking a clarifying question on behalf of a service user. That is it. Her crime. Wrong think and fighting for brutalised women.

Roz Adams teaches Non Violent Communication. I have been to one of her workshops, she's an amazing woman. I really really admire her stance on this. It takes a lot of courage to actually point out that the Emperor has no clothes on these days.

I wonder if that was a consideration in the ERCC's choice of who they wanted on the stand? Two women with a "trans" child.

Basically a kind of hostage situation?

Are they deliberately employing women in such situations?

But her email to AB was LITERAL VIOLENCE

They will employ anyone who says they are a woman, no matter what they look like, as long as their passport says they are.

Did NC get to point out to the panel exactly how easy is to change your passport?

I'm sure it's going to come as news to so many people.

I know it's common sense, but honest to God, you shouldn't be able to change your passport, or your drivers license, unless you have a GRC.

And you shouldn't be able to get a GRC, obvs.

@Datun Unfortunately she didn't. I was waiting for her to clarify the ease of achieving this proof of identity.

Boom!!!

Gotcha.

That's the case in a nutshell.

Or your NHS sex marker. I have a friend treating a trans ided female. Secind fracture in 6 months. They had new nhs number, and were recorded as male. She was worried about osteoporosis due to puberty blockersand x sex hormones, but could not raise that with the patient. Sent a note to GP hoping they would highlight.

If your job or relationship with your trans child depends on it, i guess some people will say or do anything

Perfectly normal that.

How many staff does this organisation have? Two have NB identifying children, one is trans and one is NB.

In terms of representation of the general population and population levels of trans identity just how 'out there' is this?

It's certainly not coincidence.

How can it be argued this ISN'T a Trojan Horse' organisation which centres it's aims on its staffs beliefs and not it's users?

I honestly don't understand what the ERCS understands by woman only. To use approved language, we have learnt that

AFAB cis = woman
AFAB NB= woman

AMAB trans = woman

So what about
AFAB trans - are they women?

AMAB NB - are they women?
AMAB cis - surely to god, they are not also women?

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Tribunal Tweets afternoon session

quite probably.

My favourite bit of today was when NC asked the witness if DH said he was a woman but changed nothing else about himself (or maybe just wore woman's clothes) would she believe he was a woman and she said, in a very small voice, yes.

Maybe 'woman' just means 'human' now?

Good luck with that. The Transcult seems to have an army of people manning (no pun intended) Wikipedia at all times to instantly change anything they don't like.

Try again

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Aghhhhhh

Miren Ochoa Sagues

scvo.scot/scottish-charity-awards/vote/2022/employee-of-the-year/miren-ochoa-sagues-people-know-how

(Transition referring to the transition to high school, not anything trans related)

At least Edinburgh has JK who has personally funded a Rape Crisis Centre solely for WOMEN.

@Poinsettiasarevile - does your friend know about CAN-SG, which is a network of all sorts of healthcare workers who are concerned about the impacts gender ideology? Get her to Google it.

Ooh, just spotted we've popped up in Trending 👏

Stand outs for me today.

Gender is recognised by ERCC biological sex is not.
Examples : They will discuss the gender of staff but not their sex. A service user may express a preference for the gender of staff who support them but not biological sex. All questions about sex from NC were deflected by the witness today. Sex is a protected characteristic of the Equality Act 2010. By wilfully ignoring sex in favour of gender how can they be compliant with the Equality Act ?

If the quote here is good "KT good worker. Didn't have an opinion on her being transphobic though I know her views were different from the org." It implies very heavily that the org has an org wide 'view' that constitues an undocumented/unofficial policy. The policy stems directly from ERCC's prioritization of gender over biological sex even though sex is the characteristic protected by the Equality Act.
RA's protected beliefs ( Forstater ) in sex contravened this org wide policy. RA was subject to a hostile work environment and disciplinary action for not believing in, and adhering to, this unofficial policy with no basis in law.
This is constructive dismissal of RA.

TT tweets

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1749364194485412110.html Morning
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1749428273438757293.html Afternoon

And when NC started on that line, there was a man's voice from the court feed - which I assume was DH - saying, resignedly, I know where this is going...