Another GC employment tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #3

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gener Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2

Still some in lobby

I'm in!

I concur

NC suggestion: rest of this afternoon for KM and then start Miren Sagues tomorrow.

Everyone should be in now

Some of us have gone the traditional route, with an emotional support dog.

Was that DH saying that the other witness would be KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member?

There’s something about the bombproof letterbox.

If you legitimately do something in response to a threat (real or imaginary) it’s generally because:
a) you have personal experience of that level of threat
b) you have associated experience of that level of threat

So people buy locks, and lights, and alarms, and insurance, and cameras etc because that’s seen as a proportional response to the threat of theft. And you might invest in bigger better anti theft devices if you have something terribly valuable, or live in a high crime area or recently experienced a break in.

But, for example, drug dealers invest in heavy security compared to the norm, because they are aware of the tactics they might use against someone and want to protect against those same measures.

I'm thinking it should be a support ferret and a support weasel.

I mean for them not you

NC taking about staff at beiras place and it's absurd you have issues over the quality of their service

Back to Beira's Place. Support workers have staff w over 30 years experience.

It's absurd to suggest I can't be confident of their sevices

yeah because your scrutiny has gone so well!

Purely an ideological position.

NC some matters to pick up on from earlier. Q of referral to Beira's place - it's run by 2 women well-known in the sector. 30 years in Glasgow RCC first and second in command. Board is distinguished, inc Rhona Hotchkiss

KM don't know. Don't know who on board

NC BP gets referrals from police etc

KM not aware

NC It's absurd can't be sure of quality of BP services

KM don't agree

NC specific doubts

KM not subject to scrutiny as would be if charity or funded by gvt/local get

NB purely an ideological position.

KM an organisational position

NC: This is purely an ideological position isn't it? (ERCC disliking Beira's Place.)

KM: It's an organisational position.

IKR, the cheek of it!

Onto slack messages

Emotional support glass of wine and flourless chocolate cake here. (Day off here).

The transphobes are going to die out quite quickly

BA saying my hope is that the transphobes will die out quite quickly!

Witness says no specific moderation but hope staff felt they could raise stuff with senior staff

Witness doesnt agree that it was aimed at Roz

So ageism too then.

That's the last time I book a flight with BA.

We see what happens when staff raise stuff.