Another GC employment tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #3

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gener Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2

I'm often struck by the difference changing one letter in a word makes.

Here, I'm thinking about witness and witless.

Witness I don't believe there is a definition in the policy

no definition of transphobia in the policy

So helpful!!

bullying is in the policy

Doesn't believe there is. Focuses on inclusion, language, pronouns etc

😂😂

There is no definition of transphobia because EVERYTHING IS TRANSPHOBIC

Vipers assemble.

We're going to have a sisterly hiss rather than bang pots and pans.

And feel like we're in the MN version of Andy's Sheds.

And being derogatory or hurtful to people who recognise biological sex is....?

Ha, was just about to say that!😂

trying to report what's being said

NC saying something nico said. Out makes it clear that saying transwomen are men is not allowed?

We say its disrespectful

Not allowed to call a trans man a woman. Disrespectful

She is evidencing the double standards. The non reciprocal expectations of sensitivity and care.

NC if trans men might face safety problems using men's toilets then surely there could be safety issues with trans women using women's toilets ?

KM: Transmen are at risk in men's single sex spaces because they're trans and not because they're women.

Would have been interested to know what the witness would have said to a transman wanting to access the service…

NC recurring theme of RA not being on board with gender ID

this is excruciating to watch

Yes. I feel great weariness listening today. Ultimately the witness is using English words in a way which is totally alien to the majority of English speakers. Specifically the words 'women' and 'man', and 'sex'. It's like arguing with a toddler who's standing in front of a broken vase and is trying to claim it's not broken.

That service user email was heartbreaking - any organisation that responds to that with word salad and something about them 'not engaging with the service' if they can't get a clear answer to their question is essentially saying 'fuck you' to service users. Not fit for purpose and should not get public money.

The bandying about of a slur against women - terf- is also incredibly unprofessional. I am now convinced ERCC is a TRA propaganda organisation in which they're abusing vulnerable women to further their agenda. I'd vote for all public monies to immediately be transferred to Beira's place and a new organisation to be set up to provide for biologically male and gender ideology-based specific services too (where the funding will only need to be tiny as I can't imagine much demand). If there was just a trans rape crisis centre I wonder how many biological women would use it?

Does anyone know what happened to those pushing McCarthyism when it all crashed down - did any get held accountable for the witch hunts and the harms done?

It's very instructive. Some people will destroy their credibility and reputation to hold the ideological line.

Someone called Lindsey was very nice about the fact that Roz was addressing the matter in a kind and considerate way. But no one seems to have listened to Lindsey!

I am now convinced ERCC is a TRA propaganda organisation in which they're abusing vulnerable women to further their agenda.

absolutely. I've been convinced of that from the off.

I'd vote for all public monies to immediately be transferred to Beira's place and a new organisation to be set up to provide for biologically male specific services too.

And and Let people like MW being in charge of a trans specific Service.

Guarantee they'll be out of the industry in five seconds.

They're not the slightest bit interested in helping people with their assault, even trans people, in my opinion

”the views are not prohibited, it was about whether C was respecting our policies and procedures”…which prohibit such views.