Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

[nauticant]

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

It bears repeating anyway! The passport office is practicing self ID for "crossdressers" and they've kept quite quiet about that. Here's a recent Reddit thread:

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/s/K8JZTgPsxj

I'm not entirely on top of gender law, but didn't FWS 3 have Lady Haldane judge that a bloke in a dress and no GRC is.......a bloke?

Then yesterday, didn't Uk judges decide that a GRC is binary (so absolutely no scope for one to be given to a non-binary individual)?

Worknest is a hefty organisation (75 employment lawyers). It seems inconceivable that they didn't think "this is going to be a tricky one..." when first approached (unless they were so poorly briefed that they gave advice blindfolded).

Aside from being able to recuse themselves, do ET panels have any choice about what cases/panels they are on?

I would have thought appearing to be what you say you are on your passport is the lowest bar for actually gaining entry.

Well, yes, but the process is designed to satisfy the fantasy of men who think people can't tell they're men.

Or, maybe, there is a thought that it is more socially acceptable to be a "man wearing a dress" if you have an F in your passport? "Oh, it's okay, he's not one of them, 'she's' one of them". Dating back to an era when transsexualism or transvestitism were less objectionable than homosexuality.

Then yesterday, didn't Uk judges decide that a GRC is binary (so absolutely no scope for one to be given to a non-binary individual)?

Yes, that's right.

I'm not entirely on top of gender law, but didn't FWS 3 have Lady Haldane judge that a bloke in a dress and no GRC is.......a bloke?

And also yes.

I had to ignore the last couple that there were threads on completely as I was busy with real world stuff and knew if I even looked I'd get completely sucked in! I tried with just the tweets and thread on this one, but it wasn't enough!!! I doubt I'm going to achieve much until it's finished!

WFTCHTJ

Because you don't need a GRC to change your gender markers on a passport of driving license. You need "a letter from your doctor or medical consultant confirming your change of gender is likely to be permanent"

https://www.gov.uk/changing-passport-information/gender

Glinner's just put out his latest re MW. What a read!

I see mr kavanagh is watching.

MW's wiki page back to 'she'. Though in searching it seems MW uses the male version of their name - the female version has an 'a' at the end. Is that right? MW keeps saying they're a woman but has kept their male name?

I missed ERCC's counsel - does he seem confident?

He could cure insomnia I'll say that much!

Mentioned in the Guardian:

He's no Ben Cooper

To enable GRC applicants to evidence that they have appropriated the sex-role stereotyped appearance and behaviour of the opposite sex 'lived in their chosen sex/gender' (a requirement for the granting of a GRC) there had to be a function for applicants to amend their sex marker on official documents such as passports and driving licences. Ergo, de facto self ID.

@GCITC there can be only one Ben Cooper. But NC is doing a blistering job here

NC: You said a support worker could reveal their [?sex/gi] to a user, but AB wasn't happy doing this.

MR: AB had asked that organisation have a policy on how to respond.

NC: note re appeal hearing. RA pointed out her line manager had told her what not to do in circs under review, but not what to do. You agreed with this.

MR: I imagine so, in that mtg

NC: Do you agree now?

MR: Yes

Just catching up.

I feel very slightly sorry for MR an unpaid volunteer landed with charing a disciplinary panel about sex & gender for an organisation whose CEO is full on TWAW. New to the role and obviously relying on MW for guidance.

MR clearly has swallowed the TWAW mantra and hasn’t thought beyond it. How many witnesses at ETs have there already been having to work through the argument on the stand and who end up looking like idiots? You would think their legal advisers would give them a heads up.

I suspect MR took advice from MW which is why gross misconduct was in the initial letter. Then advice from workday meant it was correctly downgraded to misconduct. MR is clearly protecting MW.

“MR: we shouldn't be able to divulge staff gender or medical history
NC: you're telling the SU what the person identifies as now, not what they were born as.
MR: An SU could ask follow-up Qs and the staff member could then divulge themselves”

I assume this was the policy in the data protection or privacy policy that DH was asking RA about yesterday.

any chance of a link?

Chrysanthemum5

She really is. I love the way she says 'ok' disparaginly when she knows the witness is talking shite.

I'm literally eating popcorn right now whilst watching NC turn witness inside out

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-crisis-for-edinburghs-rape-victims?utm_campaign=email-post&r=geozg&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

😉 me too

MR drowning not waving now.