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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

995 replies

nauticant · 19/01/2024 12:59

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

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Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 16:07

nauticant · 19/01/2024 16:04

I'm just back. Has there been an afternoon break?

Not that i remember!

nauticant · 19/01/2024 16:08

You're headlining on my screen Boiledbeetle. Big font and everything.

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 19/01/2024 16:09

No, and those of us that are still clinging on to consciousness are about to be done in by DH.

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 16:09

MR was indeed lying re the Forstater case - yes I know, I'm as shocked as you are...

Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 16:09

nauticant · 19/01/2024 16:08

You're headlining on my screen Boiledbeetle. Big font and everything.

😁

LipbalmOrKnickers · 19/01/2024 16:10

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 16:09

MR was indeed lying re the Forstater case - yes I know, I'm as shocked as you are...

Excellent work @DerekFaker

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 16:10

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 16:09

MR was indeed lying re the Forstater case - yes I know, I'm as shocked as you are...

No Fucking way!!!! I'm shocked to my very core!!!

Chrysanthemum5 · 19/01/2024 16:10

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 16:09

MR was indeed lying re the Forstater case - yes I know, I'm as shocked as you are...

Wow! Excellent work

OhBuggerandArse · 19/01/2024 16:11

Can somebody get that to Naomi Cunningham?

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 16:12

10am Monday

nauticant · 19/01/2024 16:12

That's us done for the day. Witnesses for Monday, Katy McTernan and then, I think Miren Sagues. Altough KM might take the whole day.

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 19/01/2024 16:14

Thanks to everyone for the updates here. Hopefully RA will have a calm weekend and NC's recovery will continue apace.

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 16:17

I don't see how today's witness can have helped ERCC much today, let's hope Monday's continue in the same vein.

Sisterpita · 19/01/2024 16:17

pronounsbundlebundle · 19/01/2024 15:54

So to be clear, it doesn't matter if the service user is triggered by the centre lying and obfuscating about sex but it does matter if an employee breaches safeguarding because not to do so will be 'triggering'.

Ye gods.

Apparently that is the case for ERCC.

In the situation I am aware of there was no service user or safeguarding issue except for the employee so the request was not contentious.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 16:18

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 16:09

MR was indeed lying re the Forstater case - yes I know, I'm as shocked as you are...

Replying to Colin McFarlane and David Paisley, who presumably retweeted it which she saw

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2024 16:19

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 16:09

MR was indeed lying re the Forstater case - yes I know, I'm as shocked as you are...

Why is it all these witnesses in court cases brought by gender critical women, have 'admin errors' with their memories and have absolutely no recollection of key issues they've made a song and dance about on twitter?

It's almost as if it's a reoccurring theme.

Oh I just forgot the actual law, I was so outraged about the legal ruling for...

lordloveadog · 19/01/2024 16:24

The next witness - KM - is she likely to be less catastrophic for ERCC? Or should we expect another cat's paw being scapegoated?

GCITC · 19/01/2024 16:29

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 16:09

MR was indeed lying re the Forstater case - yes I know, I'm as shocked as you are...

It's on its way to the judge I am told.

Sisterpita · 19/01/2024 16:30

Can they recall a witness if new evidence comes to light like the tweet or could NC and DH agree to admit it as evidence and cover in closing arguments?

APickUpFullOfPinkCarnations · 19/01/2024 16:30

GCITC · 19/01/2024 16:29

It's on its way to the judge I am told.

I am delighted to hear this. Well done sleuths!

GCITC · 19/01/2024 16:30

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 16:17

I don't see how today's witness can have helped ERCC much today, let's hope Monday's continue in the same vein.

And these are the best witnesses, put forward by ERCC. Imagine if the other side could pick and we had MW, Nico and AB up there!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/01/2024 16:34

GCITC · 19/01/2024 16:29

It's on its way to the judge I am told.

I am presuming it has been properly archived?

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 16:35

GCITC · 19/01/2024 16:30

And these are the best witnesses, put forward by ERCC. Imagine if the other side could pick and we had MW, Nico and AB up there!

This is why I think the tribunal panel should be able to call someone not on the witness list! If I was on the panel I'd be wanting to talk to MW and Nico (and AB at a push!)

GCITC · 19/01/2024 16:35

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/01/2024 16:34

I am presuming it has been properly archived?

It will have been.