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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Film of protest outside the Lesbian Project meeting

430 replies

DameMaud · 27/03/2023 01:56

This needs to be shared far and wide!
Made by a YouTube auditor who had no idea what the protest was about and was shocked by the protesters and police.
Think he has just peaked a few thousand more people ( read the comments!)

Out Of Control Trans Protest! TLA Takes On Entire Protest! Police Get Owned #fail #pinac #metpolice

Hi GuysI really don't know where to start with this one. To say It was crazy just doesn't quite cut it.I happened to come across a trans protest in the form ...

https://youtu.be/qMpy8VDBJXQ

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RealityFan · 29/03/2023 15:17

EndlessTea · 29/03/2023 14:59

Yes, not so much alpha as piss poor, lol.
My bigger point is that a bigger guy was needed, and this fits the trope of females needing protection.
Plus ca change.

I really see what you are saying in this. It is simply another social organisation by patriarchal hierarchy.

This is part of what I think is going to break things at the moment.

Men are instinctively competitive and hierarchical in the way they organise, compared to women - there are unspoken codes of fair play and everything - these exist and are respected to minimise dangerous conflict - just like other species.

Seeing this guy here, who would be the ‘omega’ amongst men acting as the ‘alpha’ amongst women - would just make a lot of men, outside their group, weirdly twitchy. I have this uncomfortable feeling there are a lot of men itching for a violent takeover to put these omega males back in their place right now.

I don't know if there are many other men other than me lurking (!) on MN. I'm in no way an alpha male, but XY and male socialisation means my group is very different from women.
And I can "see" this guy. The type who'd always hang about. A weird PITA.
And now he's chaperoning trans and women in his new group.
It's amazing how stereotypes linger no matter how much you fight them. Generalisations are often accurate for good reason.

endofthelinefinally · 29/03/2023 15:18

Every cult has its hierarchy and its minders/controllers. The ones that patrol the periphery and prevent observers from getting too close.

Datun · 29/03/2023 15:22

I don't know if there are many other men other than me lurking (!) on MN.

I don't know how many lurk either. But we have at least two gender critical men frequently posting on this board.

And quite a few more men, in my opinion, who are not in the slightest bit gender critical and don't want people to know they are male.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 29/03/2023 15:27

Datun · 29/03/2023 15:22

I don't know if there are many other men other than me lurking (!) on MN.

I don't know how many lurk either. But we have at least two gender critical men frequently posting on this board.

And quite a few more men, in my opinion, who are not in the slightest bit gender critical and don't want people to know they are male.

😆

I think I know the majority of posters in both categories!

I was thinking the other day, what happened to @AndyOldLabour?
He was brilliant on the sports stuff, especially cycling.

Not seen him for a while, maybe he was banned? Might just be busy.
Andy must’ve made a few enemies amongst The Watchers with his lack of respect towards Rachel Veronica Ivy McKinnon?

IcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2023 15:27

I'd have clocked the mumbler as only being involved because it gives him an in with actual females. His heart doesn't seem in it. I wouldn't be surprised if, when he was alone with the auditor, he'd been told to stay with him by his crush.

EndlessTea · 29/03/2023 15:30

IcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2023 15:27

I'd have clocked the mumbler as only being involved because it gives him an in with actual females. His heart doesn't seem in it. I wouldn't be surprised if, when he was alone with the auditor, he'd been told to stay with him by his crush.

Yes, a bit like those small male cuttlefish who pretend to be female to fool and get past the big male and then shag the female.

IcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2023 15:33

Yes! A sneaky male.

RealityFan · 29/03/2023 15:41

EndlessTea · 29/03/2023 15:30

Yes, a bit like those small male cuttlefish who pretend to be female to fool and get past the big male and then shag the female.

I thought humans were bad enough, lol.

RealityFan · 29/03/2023 15:45

Datun · 29/03/2023 15:22

I don't know if there are many other men other than me lurking (!) on MN.

I don't know how many lurk either. But we have at least two gender critical men frequently posting on this board.

And quite a few more men, in my opinion, who are not in the slightest bit gender critical and don't want people to know they are male.

Well, I'm proudly GC, and proudly (?) male.
Maybe one day I'll launch a thread to give the male, and specifically GC male, perspective on all this. I think I know what makes the typical male TRA mind tick. I can say, it ticks because it's either a bomb, or a clock that keeps shit time.

EndlessTea · 29/03/2023 15:50

RealityFan · 29/03/2023 15:41

I thought humans were bad enough, lol.

Ha ha - at least female cuttlefish don’t make sneaky males play the long game and have to talk to ‘auditors’ with cameras all afternoon to prove their worth. 😂

QueenHippolyta · 29/03/2023 15:55

RealityFan · 29/03/2023 15:45

Well, I'm proudly GC, and proudly (?) male.
Maybe one day I'll launch a thread to give the male, and specifically GC male, perspective on all this. I think I know what makes the typical male TRA mind tick. I can say, it ticks because it's either a bomb, or a clock that keeps shit time.

Please launch a thread on what makes the typical male TRA mind tick. This Lesbian has no clue and I'd like to know.

EndlessTea · 29/03/2023 15:59

QueenHippolyta · 29/03/2023 15:55

Please launch a thread on what makes the typical male TRA mind tick. This Lesbian has no clue and I'd like to know.

That would be interesting. Like with Billy Bragg - I am sort of mystified. I am wondering- is he just a bit dim?

RealityFan · 29/03/2023 16:06

Can anyone inform me how to launch a thread (see, men NEED women, some like me an AWFUL lot), I'm only a week into posting here.

IcakethereforeIam · 29/03/2023 16:09

On the version of MN I use there a 'start a new thread' button at the top of every thread.

Good luck!

RealityFan · 29/03/2023 16:13

Found it!
I'll put my thoughts together.
I can't pretend it won't be ugly.
I'm a man, and we can be a truly horrible lot.

TangledUpinBlu · 29/03/2023 16:20

The woman holding the megaphone in the 'black Jamaican' video looks and sounds like the dungaree wearing baby botherer? Was that Brighton?

EndlessTea · 29/03/2023 16:31

I just read that the woman who got punched in New Zealand actually has a broken skull.

We have to let the police know that ‘abandoning women to the mob’ is a far, far worse ‘look’ than interfering or seeming ‘heavy handed’. They seriously need to change their tactics.

Righthandcider · 29/03/2023 16:41

EndlessTea · 29/03/2023 13:15

Cake I appreciate the link. I really hope we can hold onto warmth, joy and humour like this.

The thud to me, was that something has been strained for a long time, people have buttoned their lips, stayed out of it “this isn’t my business or area of expertise- I’m bound to get it wrong if I’m not politically correct”.

Like when female pimps are wheeled out to represent pimps as a group, in order to fight against feminists, a lot of people think “ah it’s just a load of women squabbling between themselves - wake me up when there’s any point in looking”.

Suddenly, last weekend, it became obvious that it isn’t just “women squabbling amongst themselves” and that the LGBTQIIA++ isn’t just a group of feminised, harmless males and equally harmless women.

Instead people are seeing that there are violent, male thugs who would stoop as low as punching older women in the face, terrorising and screaming at women, banding together to create a cacophony so women’s voices can’t be heard.

The strain of all the people holding back, buttoning lips, being polite and civilised, allowing things to resolve diplomatically against this insanely demanding, authoritarian group was stretched too far. I think something collectively snapped.

I wonder how far and wide the sound of the thud travelled, and if the media and institutions heard it. Seeing Chris Philp talking gives me a lot of hope.

If the sunlight continues to stream in enough, and it becomes apparent that ordinary people are waking up and not liking what they see, I wonder if the air of smug right-thinking superiority will start to fade.

Will Fi Glover still feel able to suggest on her show that people need to "stop bickering"? Will the papers stop spinning KJK as far-right? Will Woman's Hour be for women again?

Will the SNP kick self-ID into the long grass?

Will the adults start to stand up for free speech in universities?

Feels like we have so far to go.

But at least ground has shifted.

Roystonv · 29/03/2023 17:13

I live in rural Cumbria, police are few and far between. London it would seem has plenty but might as well have none if this is the way they police a 'protest' on a main street in our capital. No action to disperse the disturbance/nuisance, scared, wandering around with crossed arms observing and in the end taking the easiest option of policing the innocent party. It is a sad day when the police need auditing. I have seen it done in America. Do they not realise that it shows them in such a bad light and they could learn from it. They are so alienated from the people they are there to support.

raspberrywine · 29/03/2023 19:01

TangledUpinBlu · 29/03/2023 16:20

The woman holding the megaphone in the 'black Jamaican' video looks and sounds like the dungaree wearing baby botherer? Was that Brighton?

There's a couple of us who noted the similarity.

colouringindoors · 29/03/2023 19:14

I agree re the Thud. I've felt that Auckland, Hyde Park and TLA situation have cemented how toxic and misogynistic this movement is. Have watched that TLA video twice and listened to all 3 hours of Women Speaking on the NZ Platform programme. The silencing of women is so explicit now.

I've not been to a LWS event at Hyde Park before, but am seriously considering going on 30 April, just a little nervous going on my own and not knowing anyone in person...

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2023 19:22

EndlessTea · 29/03/2023 15:02

I fear for gay men. i reckon they could really do with a way of signalling that they are gender critical for their safety.

They could try opening their mouths and saying 'I'm gender critical'.

Boiledbeetle · 29/03/2023 19:31

RealityFan · 29/03/2023 16:06

Can anyone inform me how to launch a thread (see, men NEED women, some like me an AWFUL lot), I'm only a week into posting here.

You may only be a week in but as you've already agreed to hand over slices of your upcoming wedding cake I think you'll be fine!

Of course if the cake doesn't materialise I don't fancy you're chances much!

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 29/03/2023 19:32

I hope it’s not fruit cake.

Surely no one really likes fruit cake?

Boiledbeetle · 29/03/2023 19:34

I looooooooooove fruit cake!

If it's lemon drizzle cake thanks but no thanks!

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