Film of protest outside the Lesbian Project meeting

[DameMaud]

This needs to be shared far and wide!
Made by a YouTube auditor who had no idea what the protest was about and was shocked by the protesters and police.
Think he has just peaked a few thousand more people ( read the comments!)

The 'Auditors' sound like a really interesting idea. Always good to hear from people monitoring public servants and reminding them of civil liberties and the law.

And his focus on the police is crucial, tbh.

We all know the tras have major issues. There will always be disruptive and pernicious groups in society. That will never change. The PROBLEM is when the police, law, govt, media, apply the law and rules unevenly, as we saw here.

Even handedness and a focus on how people with extreme ideas have been given carte blanche to behave very badly, break the law, etc, is COMPLETELY the point.

I'm not calling them TRAs any more. This is all about Men's Rights.

I'm not sure it's even that any more, at least out on the street. It's just a fascist mob that believes it's got the backing of the powers-that-be.

I think many of them are barely aware of why they turn up at any given location, apart from a vague idea that an Unperson is there.

The "trans" is almost incidental, except as an aesthetic and shared irrational belief system. Feminists/women with rational opposition to irrational policies end up being the Unpeople that they need, but it's all kind of detached from reality for them.

I don't think many of them would really care what their cause was or who the Unpeople were, as long as there was an in group and an out group. A passing non-compliant Scotsman with a camera will do, at a pinch.

However, the fact that they can get away with it so long IS exemplary of the regard in which women are apparently not held. They chose the right Unpeople for their hate.

But they're gradually starting to turn on real people - ie not women - and that's going to be harder to get away with.

I’m wondering about the protest/counter protest angle.

Let Women Speak is an open air event and the two groups are obviously going to need to be kept apart (and yes, Glasgow has lots of experience at this!)

But yesterday was not a protest and a counter protest. It was a private meeting and a protest.

The police say the TRAs are counter protesting, but how can it be a counter protest when there is no protest to counter?

I can only assume they knew it wasn’t really a counter protest and their actual brief was just to do a bit of pandering to the antilesbian crowd to try and get them to go away after x time with minimum fuss and no arrests of the special caste to cause controversy.
And that there was nothing in their brief about the safety of the women in the meeting or the general public.

Whereas in Glasgow, the brief was very different, and a lot less one sided?

The police saythe TRAs are counter protesting, but how can it be a counter protest when there is no protest to counter?

I'm kind of getting the impression that in an authoritarian climate a "protest" is by people who the authorities do not approve of, and a "counter-protest" is by people the authorities do approve of.

Protesters are Bad Guys; counter-protesters are Good Guys.

I think it's about power, simply, MRAs have some overlap but this is a distinct group, and so many of those involved are female, as you can see from the footage.

It's an astonishing bit of film, really. Hugely useful. All the elements are on show.

The violent, dangerous element. (the ex prisoner).
The befuddled, confused useful idiots. (the women holding up signs).
The political strategists. (The tall ginger bloke and the 'reasonable' woman).
The police, cowed and fearful of intervening, turning their authority on the innocent passerby just trying to go about his day.
The invisible women inside the venue, lesbians being terrorised for refusing to admit males.

What we don't often get is the fresh eyes of this cameraman/auditor. As I said, very useful to see it all laid out like that.

Even how it unfolds follows a very familiar pattern.

A 'rave' with circus performers and loud music - 'it's all a party! peace and love! Join us on the lovely Right Side of HIstory. LISTEN TO OUR JOYOUS NOISE YOU BASTARDS OR WE'LL AIRHORN YOU' (also illustrated by their 'disco ball bomb' logo. Violence disguised by superficial glitter.)
Followed by suspicion.
'FASCISTS'
Hostility. Abuse. Violence.
Police failing to protect the public.
At the very end, sensible women restore us to sanity.

There is a very definite and deliberate move to always call TRA stuff 'counter protest'. Not quite sure why.

The political strategists. (The tall ginger bloke and the 'reasonable' woman).

I can’t remember where I read it now but someone pointed out how these two operate almost exactly like those Scientologists who come out of the Scientology compound to ward off ‘suppressive persons’ using the weirdly sinister tactic of superfriendliness.

It's just a fascist mob that believes it's got the backing of the powers-that-be.

That's because it clearly HAS got the backing of the powers-that-be.

How the fuck this raggle taggle bunch got to be elevated to the status of sacred caste I do not know.

What unites them? Ludicrous cartoonish ideas about 'gender', an ideology of extreme sexual liberation, and a relentless, voracious appetite for aggressive victimhood.

I had no idea there were this group of people out there. But thinking about it, it makes sense.

the main thing that stands out to me on this video (as so many others) is the absolute adherence to a mask mandate outside that doesn't exist.
If they were so sure they were right, and the majority, surely they would show their faces and stand up and be counted?

Same in NZ. They say they're afraid of repurcussions. But the only repurcussions i have ever seen was KJK getting soup on her (I am not one of her supporters except on this one issue of letting women speak), the elderly lady getting repeatedly punched in the face, and members of the lesbian gathering such as Kathleen Stock who has been threatened with all sorts of violence and lost her job.

for a "hugely marginalised" bunch of people (and it is still not clear who they actually are, since many of their supporters seem to be straight, white men) they certainly have a lot of power.

The police saythe TRAs are counter protesting, but how can it be a counter protest when there is no protest to counter?

sorry, had the tab open to post and left it so long there were loads more posts)

There's another thread (about Billy Bragg) at the moment which has highlighted the fact that single sex clubs (for men) are still absolutely allowed and i wonder why this lot aren't outside, say, Whites or the Turf Club (can't remember the other) protesting that? or are trans men allowed?

Yes! We are hearing the term 'counter protest' being used incorrectly a lot recently by both police and in media reports. It's misrepresentative and part of the propaganda

It doesn’t inspire confidence in the police when they looked thoroughly frightened of the TRAs, and kept telling the filmer not to antagonise or inflame the situation!

Everyone watching can see how the TRAs are treated with kid gloves, given free passes to break the law and assault people, and the police didn’t step up even when they knew it was on camera!!!!!!!!

Why so defensive? Do they really think that everyone is anti-trans? What's with all the face masks? Do they really think they are in danger if they show their faces?

Most people think live and let live in the most part but you have to really not give a shit about women if you can't understand there are some areas of concern with just allowing males to access female spaces solely on their say-so.

The policy of mask wearing (apparently pre-agreed) suggests to me that they expect a certain level of violence from their own side so all wear masks to make it more difficult to identify the perpetrators.

They are hoping it will reduce the chances of their mums finding out that they’ve been involved in a homophobic protest outside a meeting organised by middle aged lesbians!

The thing that's missing from this fascinating discussion is that an awful lot of those protesters were young women 😓. All playing the "spot the fascist " game and evidently operating a set of planned behaviours - the blocking with placards, mask wearing and inane chants about Nazis.

None of them with the insight to ask themselves why a group of lesbians should not be allowed allowed to meet without their permission. And interesting that the one holding the megaphone and directing operations is of course the male convicted of attempted murder.

I watched this and it's clear who has the police eating out their hands. The way the two protesters come over and try and suss the cameraman out is pretty creepy. The protesters just strike me as horrible spoiled brats. Dunno who the cameraman is but good on him for challenging the woeful police. The only people in the film who I would ever like to speak to or know personally are the women coming out the meeting. The rest including the police seem really sinister...

They are hoping it will reduce the chances of their mums finding out that they’ve been involved in a homophobic protest outside a meeting organised by middle aged lesbians!

😂 I'm not so sure - I reckon they stomp home at teatime, drop their FUCK NAZI TERFS placards in the hallway and rant at their mums for cooking sausages because they've told her twice already that they only eat organic sprouted microgreens since entering a polyamorous triad with zir non-binary, two-spirit trans partners.

I agree about the young women being controlled by a manipulative man. It's all so incredibly creepy. The Scientology parallel is a good one. I fear for these young women, it makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end.

That is a brilliant description of what happened/ happens @ArabellaScott ! It really does play out like that on repeat doesn't it.

What my film maker son calls ' the arc of the story'. Though if it was a TRA movie there might be an Afterword , either voiced over or written with the Credits. To the effect that any violence was not the fault of the lovely dancing ones.

Linda Kasabian passed away recently. She of the Manson Family. Speaking of C*lts. 😱

Yes, the scientology parallel is interesting - I'm glad he finally noticed that they were talking polite nonsense at him as a distraction tactic (it's what I noticed first - like when a 4 year old strikes up conversation to avoid bedtime, it set off my "this is a distraction" radar)

I think it's good that someone who's not involved in all this has now experienced it, and is bringing their own angle (the lack of action from the police) - more light is welcome here.

The fantastic difference between them and the women coming out of the meeting, happy to chat, open, friendly, but also about their own business was stark.

Just screen grabbed Purple-Mask-Scientology Man’s leaflet (rotated it and adjusted the contrast/sharpness a bit).

Bit unfortunate that ‘This is What Community Looks Like’ turns out to be a convicted offender (kidnap, attempted murder) haranguing a random man through a loudhailer for being ‘a fascist’ and the police protecting the the bullies instead of the bullied.

Wow! We should invite these guys to cover Speakers Corner.

That’s Mary Ward House in Tavistock Place. Bloody hell, I walk down there regularly and never did I expect to see crowds of violent TRA thugs in the street outside. The world truly is turning into a scary one.