Film of protest outside the Lesbian Project meeting

[DameMaud]

This needs to be shared far and wide!
Made by a YouTube auditor who had no idea what the protest was about and was shocked by the protesters and police.
Think he has just peaked a few thousand more people ( read the comments!)

I'm not in favour of getting in coppers' faces at their workplaces but I certainly love that he wound up a bunch that were enraged at the prospect of lesbians meeting without their permission.

Auditors meeting TRAs is The Ultimate Clash of The Shit Stirrers!

The TRAs were outside The Lesbian Project to antagonise female homosexuals.

That they encountered a different kind of antagonist (one who insists that police follow the letter of the law) is extremely poetic.

TLA’s org association is with Photography Is Not A Crime UK (aka PINACUK).

https://m.facebook.com/PINACUK

PINAC describe themselves as ‘Little Brother Watching Big Brother’ and are an antiauthoritarian movement.

It cracks me up that the TRAs, who complain to be the most oppressed ever, are on the same side as the Police and all the Big Corporations whilst calling random women fascists and Nazis.

The Laughing Auditor and his chums are the shit stirrers that expose the transactivists hypocrisy.

Clearly the protesters who yell insults, impede his movement, and knock his phone out of his hand come off looking very badly.

However, the guy filming also comes across as a bit of a dick, especially with the police, behaving in ways that are legal but also annoying. For example, telling the officers they are doing their job badly while demanding that they accompany him back and forth through a throng of protesters seems deliberately provocative, as does telling the inspector towards the end that "I have not dismissed you". Tom Cruise used almost that exact same line to get Col. Jessup to lose his cool in "A Few Good Men." His agenda seems to be to annoy the police into doing something that will make them look bad, and I actually came away pretty impressed at how well the police maintained their composure.

Other articles I have seen here and elsewhere about so-called "trans rights", which I think could more fairly be called "trans privilege" given the "rights" that are actually being demanded, and also just the sheer incoherence of gender ideology, have already put me firmly in the gender critical camp. However, this video does not really add to my conviction about that, perhaps because nothing the protesters did seemed surprising in any way. Maybe this video will still be helpful in shining a light on these behaviours for a different audience that has not already become aware.

I think that inspector at the end was an arrogant, dismissive dick, personally. And he did get the law wrong but didn't seem to care. Not really professional.

Exactly. Thank goodness someone else saw this too.

The protesters obviously thought he was some far-right bloke up to no good.

It really annoys me that accusations or assumptions of “far right” are glibly thrown around. It’s a tactic to shut down anyone who doesn’t agree with their behaviour.

The protestors were being authoritarian themselves by having the audacity to “protest” in the first place and attempt to disrupt a meeting for lesbian women. So no, they don’t get to throw claims of far right to anyone else who happened to not be part of their group. They did it to disrupt and intimidate. If that’s left wing then they’re a great example of the intolerant left. If I’d had to guess, I’d suggest that the women who were having a meeting were all pretty left leaning themselves at one point.

The protestors were being authoritarian themselves by having the audacity to “protest” in the first place and attempt to disrupt a meeting for lesbian women.

As a say, I've got a number of trans folk in my Twitter feed. I know they're good people. I followed them well before all the trans stuff kicked off. They're genuinely paranoid that the world is out to get them. At this point, their whole world revolves around this issue, it's all they ever seem to talk about, and they see enemies everywhere. Even in the most innocuous things. This is ordinary, non-activist trans people who just want to get on with their lives. They have completely bought into the lie that the extreme trans activists have sold them that the whole world is against them and there are covert efforts to erradicate them off the face of the earth.

The protesters were obviously foolish to jump to conclusions and start name-calling the 'auditor', but I don't think it came from an authoritarian place. I think they're half-living in a fantasy world. And I think that's the real problem. We call people who promote gender ideology 'woke', but I think at least some are actually just still dreaming. How we wake them up, I have absolutely no idea. And there are of course those who are deliberately malicious, violent and pathologically misogynistic - they're not the ones I'm referring to, and I don't think the vast majority of the protesters fit that description. There are clearly some very bad actors who are driving this movement. But I think we need to be careful not to put all the gender ideologists together into one bucket as though they're all the same.

It’s an authoritarian movement, I’m afraid.

The protesters obviously thought he was some far-right bloke up to no good.

Anyone who's not radicalised into their ideology is far-right.

He said on Glinner that they were fine with him until he mentioned he was a free speech advocate. Free speech is now synonymous with far right as, obviously, they believe in compelled speech.

@danielleredd856

Yes, i see the same dynamic. And scared people are ripe pickings for authoritarian ideologists.

The only way to fulfil the fantasy of changing sex is by getting everyone (without exception) to play along with the fiction that changing sex is possible.

Most people don’t want to play along but will roll with it (until it harms someone they love) but some people refuse to play along out of principal or cannot play along (due to neurodiversity or age or disability) or they have other beliefs that prevent them playing along (eg religious beliefs) so the only way to get those people to play along is to force them into it.

You can’t take the authoritarianism out of the gender identity movement

The only way I can picture a trans rights movement that doesn’t involve baked-in authoritarianism is one that drops the identity stuff completely and goes back to classifying trans as a condition diagnosed by doctors.

Which seems unlikely when doctors are decried as gatekeepers.

A Linehan pointed out, what civil rights movement in history didn't want publicity?

Yep, the Suffragettes, MLK etc, all wore masks, covered up with multiple umbrellas, held giant cardboard across their faces.

Sorry I dont get what the problem is.

When first posted it was because by some random chance the auditor started filming what turned out to be a "protest" (according to the police) against a peaceful indoor meeting.

We have the right to free speech and these protesters were trying to stop this and the police just stood by and though that was already. For instance they could have been asked to move further down the street which the police did easily after the event was over.

He just wanted to film and yes he moved up and down by why shouldn't he, its a public place. It is the private land of the protestors and the police did nothing to stop the TRAs harrassing him.

They asked him to not "antagonise" them. They were clearly policing in a way that was giving privilege to the protesters.

And as discussed earlier on on this thread, the % of actual trans people invovled seemed close to zero. This seemed much closer to the MRAs rebadged as TRAs because they dont want women to have a voice and are piggy backing on the issue. Added to which they thought they would get extra brownie points because as we all know now women talking about women's sex based rights are just nazis.

Nobody made out this man was a saint.

What is the issue. A moment of chance illustrated what forums like this have been saying.

These people are spoilt childish bullies.

Its like people who say they cant support women's sex based rights because some (possibly not very nice) Tory has agreed that women are biological females.

(If the auditor did go to today's LWS event his mush have been disappointed, although could be congratulating himself that his video has made the police think oh dear not a good look to be shown up to not be doing the job we are paid for.)

You can’t take the authoritarianism out of the gender identity movement.

I think there's also a strong commercial element to it. It's charities making a living off people's problems. They don't actually want proper solutions, because that then puts them out of a job. They have to keep moving on to the next issue, or creating new issues out of nothing.

I think in that pursuit, organisations like Stonewall willfully allowed their campaign to be co-opted by the dredges of society, people on the absolute fringes of societal norms who want nothing other than to push the boundaries further and further. That's why I'm wary of any similarly unsavoury characters being co-opted into the Gender Critical pushback.

@FlirtsWithRhinos - Absolutely. I think that's exactly what's happened here. But it still surprises me how impossible it is to get them to see the woods for the trees, since they're seeing everything through a false prism.

They may have found it antagonising that someone was recording their harassment of the Lesbians meeting. They also seemed to find it antagonising that he wouldn't recognise their assumed ownership of a public space, and he had the temerity not to be intimidated or bossed around by them. I don't think refusing to be manipulated/handled by their lieutenants or backing down to their attempts at coercion is antagonistic. They had quite some cheek to think they could try to order people around in public like that. Much more sinned against than sinning in this instance is TLA.

There were quite a few of these 'handlers' continuously moving in and streaming around the hostile rave. The woman (mastectomy) approached him with a 'my good man, do as I say' demeanour. On pretext of a leaflet offer. You can see her coming from a spot that purple mask man and green puff coat woman were in.

The woman (green puffer) and male (purple mask) 'Scientologists' double act were so disingenuous. TLA had said to them he only had the phone to record that day. I wonder if that is why the phone went flying. When the police were recovering the phone, and TLA said to green puffer woman why he couldn't go home because his phone had been thrown down, purple mask chappie at one point (shown on screen) had a bit of a snigger. And green puffer's tinny, 'oh sorry' and 'I hope you get your phone back' was so insincere. He did get it back (unfortunately for those gobsh*tes).

I do hope that TLA's mobile phone filming in a public space didn't antagonise the retiring pet on the loudspeaker too much.

That's why I'm wary of any similarly unsavoury characters being co-opted into the Gender Critical pushback.

There are loads of different pushbacks happening, no reason to co-opt anyone, just let everyone do their thing their way and ignore the TRAs who try to force team us all into one big (fascist!) movement.

Publicising someone's video that records actual facts isn't co-opting anyone.

Honestly have the hand maidens of AGCL found a new way to try and slur women.

It is a record of fact.

”That's why I'm wary of any similarly unsavoury characters being co-opted into the Gender Critical pushback.”

This is where using the label ‘gender critical’ is an issue. The term originated with the word feminist attached. It has been detached and used incorrectly by many. I find it meaningless as a generic descriptor.

The ‘push back’ itself is already going to include ‘unsavoury’ characters. Because the concept that sex cannot change and people should not be forced to use compelled speech are more universal in character than niche. That is the point. They are more universal and the majority of the world believe the first as it is proven science and the second because it should be part of free speech.

Therefore, they are like the oft used ‘water is wet’ phrase. That should be ‘universal’ and believed by people of all political goals.

The use of the labelling of ‘gender critical’ as the name of the movement as is so often is, means that using that term in this way has already included those ‘unsavoury’ characters. Whereas, gender critical feminist at least had an indication of the political intention of the group. It was a bit more precise in that regard.

Anybody can go to a protest and record it. You don't need an 'auditor' to do that, if all that is required is to passively film the event. Get a date for when the next protest is happening, grab a camera and go film it.

On the other hand, if you want somebody to stir the pot, get on people's nerves, and create a bit of mayhem, that's where the so-called 'auditor' comes in. I'm not interested in encouraging someone to go out there just to agitate the TRAs or the police, so that we can then point our finger at them and say, oh look how reprehensible the TRAs and police are.

There were a number of other members of the public filming that day, you can see them in the footage, but it was only the 'auditor' that got on the protesters' nerves. Fancy that.

I want to see the TRAs' and the police's behaviour in the cold light of day, without any external influence, so there are no excuses for them to hide behind. That is how these activists get shown for who they are and what they're really all about.

I wasn't able to watch that video of the Lesbian Project protest without the sense that the 'auditor' had inserted his difficult personality into the situation which had had an influence on the events, which for me makes this footage tainted.

I like that he got on their nerves.

His video is freestanding: a testimony from one with no agenda against the protestors (but the police).

He got on their nerves so well, I hope he will do it again.
Except he has been threatened quite badly now, so if he doesn’t want further involvement I can understand that.

I see the point about TLA but one big thing he brings to the table is his audience which he got by being awkward

Exactly. Just more proof that the police let these aggressive, vile, verbally abusive, threatening people get away with whatever they want.

His anger and being "provocative" is what is needed to show these people up! They are allowed to get away with behaviour that other members of society wouldn't be allowed to get away with! And why? "It's a complex issues", the copper said. What, swearing in public and getting aggressive and angry because lesbians aren't turned on by your dick? Intimidation? Calling for the death of people who don't buy into your ideology?