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What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns

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andarounditgoesagain · 20/03/2023 09:54

Her own security are saying she's courting trouble for views, knowingly putting them in danger, that she has no human connection with people but her fans don't notice as they hero-worship her and see what they want to see, and that the end game is she's after becoming a talking head in the US, and that SFW women are just pawns she's using to get there.

twitter.com/Fair_Maiden1/status/1637529465126285312

She seems more and more like a Katie Hopkins type who's leeching off our movement.

I used to love her, before I get accused of jealousy. I still love the approach of platforming women who don't usually get a chance to be heard.

But actual nazis are now turning up at women's rights events - precisely because KJK refused to denounce them and has been courting the far right for ages. It's not a coincidence.

What does she have to do before women realise she's using us?
At what point do women accept KJK is toxic and damaging our movement?

If those closest to her have serious concerns - shouldn't you?

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NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 20/03/2023 20:19

nilsmousehammer · 20/03/2023 20:00

But I still haven't found the fascism! <wails>

Nor any mentioning of annexing eastern Europe.

Here you go, a female fascist!

No prison for transgender neo-nazi after threatening black and Jewish journalists

Oh sorry, that's a trans-identifying female Neo-Nazi. Sorry, they're pretty hard to find these days.

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2023 20:19
stan marsh pain GIF by South Park

Oh sweet jesus. Do not search the gifs for merkins

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 20:25

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 20/03/2023 20:19

Here you go, a female fascist!

No prison for transgender neo-nazi after threatening black and Jewish journalists

Oh sorry, that's a trans-identifying female Neo-Nazi. Sorry, they're pretty hard to find these days.

Wow.

Not just trans-masculine, trans-toxic-masculine!

raspberrywine · 20/03/2023 20:31

Another thread bashing KJK and attempting to hector the women here?

Has anyone kept count?

Baldieheid · 20/03/2023 20:33

Sorry, no. I've been too busy annexing Italy.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/03/2023 20:36

Insecticide · 20/03/2023 19:19

I’ve gone through my posts and can’t find anything that would be easily mistaken for telling anyone what to do. I wonder if this misrepresentation might prove my point though, that nobody wants to discuss the fact that many of us have become distanced from KJK and indeed even FWR in no small part because of the willingness to ignore and handwave away values that are antithetical to our moral codes.

This is what I think: I think that males must be kept out of female spaces. I think the law needs to be reinforced to ensure that’s never in doubt. Being mindful of the rules here, I personally think that it’s likely a significant number of trans people are appropriating their stereotyped version womanhood to breach boundaries that are crucial to safety for women and children. I think that lots of very vulnerable girls and young women have been confused into having radical and irreversible surgeries that they should never have been even on the pathway to having, never mind getting to the operating table. And also I think racism is abhorrent to the point I’d cut ties with my own mam if she chose to spend time with racists. I wouldn’t be able to handwave it away. I’m interested in where my moral code differs from people here who will/do. “Well, some racists have an audience, so they’re okay to get a message out” isn’t a convincing case to me.

As for what I do, I’m doing it, I’m changing my own workplace, I’m changing some of things my local council does. (Please do forgive me if I’m not comfortable sharing the detail here - real-life GCing is accompanied by some risk, after all.)

you in fact do want to control what people posting on FWR do

you want them to espouse values that precisely match your moral code so you feel comfortable on FWR

you want people here to not 'ignore and handwave away values that are antithetical to our moral codes'

so yeah, you do want to tell people what to do

at least own it

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 20/03/2023 20:38

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 20:25

Wow.

Not just trans-masculine, trans-toxic-masculine!

It's okay, I've got a replacement fascist now. Found on wikipedia

Donna Langan, the Leader of the Aryan Republican Army (ARA), a white nationalist terrorist gang which robbed 22 banks in the Midwest from 1994 to 1996. The bank robberies were spearheaded by Donna Langan.

The gang, who had links to Neo-Nazism and white supremacism, were alleged to have conspired with convicted terrorist Timothy McVeigh in the months before the Oklahoma City bombing terrorist attack.

The gang's aims:

Well, that seems very conclusive.

Oh wait. Donna was called Peter Langan at the time. This is a male fascist.

flyingbuttress43 · 20/03/2023 20:41

In thin the OP is not so much concerned about KJK's "associations" with the far right as her exposure of many of the left as a load of wet lettuces.

EdithStourton · 20/03/2023 20:41

<yawns>
<stretches>
Has OP been back yet to provide receipts, or is she still at work and too busy?

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 20:44

Oh wait. Donna was called Peter Langan at the time. This is a male fascist.

Understandable mistake, what with being called Donna an ‘all.

Must’ve been hard fitting all that fascism in around the gender dysphoria, eh?

www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1997/02/13/the-saga-of-pretty-boy-pedro/32910dec-daf8-4f75-b6f3-14a27910885b/

What if you're all wrong about KJK? Even her own security have serious concerns
ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 20:46
shaving pubes GIF by HOLYCHILD

<runs off to check the merkin gifs>

I don't know if this one is very Bond Villain.

FOJN · 20/03/2023 20:46

"You lot" are swines, someone needs to take your Google away. 😁

"Has OP been back yet to provide receipts, or is she still at work and too busy?*

I think OP is scheduled to be sticking pins in her Posie effigy until 10.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 20:50

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 20:46

<runs off to check the merkin gifs>

I don't know if this one is very Bond Villain.

Is that a clown wig?

🤡

Redebs · 20/03/2023 20:50

andarounditgoesagain · 20/03/2023 10:36

She blocked me on twitter for raising my concerns.

And do you know why she was banned on here? I don't, but I do remember her being here and I'd hazard a guess it'd be just a likely for her dodgy Islamophobic views, or simply being vile to other posters, as for her GC views.

Does anyone have a link to what she said about British Pakistanis and Islam in Britain?

Thus us worrying: thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

FOJN · 20/03/2023 20:51

I don't know if this one is very Bond Villain.

I've changed my mind, I think she should play the lead.

The names Blond, Kelly Jay Blond.

She wouldn't need Q, she has the power of mind control and seems capable of bringing down western civilisation single handedly so I think she'll cope with Blofeld.

FOJN · 20/03/2023 20:56

Redebs · 20/03/2023 20:50

Does anyone have a link to what she said about British Pakistanis and Islam in Britain?

Thus us worrying: thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

This might be helpful.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4643616-men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement?page=1

landOFconfusion · 20/03/2023 20:57

Mosley Parker and the Blackskirts.

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2023 20:59

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 20:46

<runs off to check the merkin gifs>

I don't know if this one is very Bond Villain.

Misbehaving Naughty Boy GIF

🙄

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2023 21:01

EdithStourton · 20/03/2023 20:41

<yawns>
<stretches>
Has OP been back yet to provide receipts, or is she still at work and too busy?

amy poehler GIF by Vulture.com

Still waiting. Be strong. You can do this

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 21:08

Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 18:20

Ok.

Hey readers, here is the fuller transcript of what she said.
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I am so sick of it.

When teachers are in front of those classrooms and they are obliterating the safeguarding of girls, I personally think that they are a safeguarding risk. I think they should be held to account. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how long you have been teaching, I don’t care if it is the only way that you keep a roof over your head. It is only by your cowardice that this continues.

It is only by the cowardice of women in the police force, who damn well know that their superiors are autogynophiles, it is only by their cowardice that this continues.

If we all stood up and we pointed at the emperor’s penis, it would stop.
So many women are just too afraid, like come on!

What is it going to take? How many buckets of breast tissue do you need to see? How many girls do you need to know? How many girls do you need to know that they can no longer talk about what is unsafe? And what makes them feel unsafe because they are too afraid that they are going to be called unkind?

How many girls? A whole generation? Is that enough for you? Entire groups of children at university ?

Is that enough for you?

Does it have to be your own daughter before you will stand up and defend somebody? And even then, do you ?

Men, pretty bad. Right? Men, pretty bad. Unless a steaming pile of excrement is under their nose, they don’t smell it. But we women, we don’t smell it, we don’t taste it, we feel it. With every fibre of our bodies we feel it. We know it.
We remember it.

We remember a creepy man how they made us feel and now we're telling our daughters don't worry love – he calls himself a woman!

We knew when we were younger that those were the creepiest of men!

We knew it!

We could say it!

Nobody rang the bloody police about it because the police knew it!

We knew!

Way back a guy wrote a book about serial killing and often serial killers because serial killing is often a sexual kind of motivation. Starts with flashing, exposing one’s self, then it is minor sexual assault, then it is rape, then it is murder, that is how serial killing works. It is sexual fetish we know how strong they are. Often, those men were auto gynophiles.

We knew this. We knew it. The Police knew it. And now suddenly they have been rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable.

And now suddenly they are rebranded as stunning and brave and vulnerable – SOD OFF!

I am so sick and tired of the police now trying to persecute me, trying to catch me out, trying to charge me with a crime. Offer me a caution. For speaking about this stuff. And look. Look, I am a pretty strong woman. This takes up far too much of my god damn time.

I am so annoyed.

It is a woman doing it. Men don’t have to march upon our necks, they don’t have to put their hands around our throats, they get women to do it. And if women aren’t doing it directly, they are strangling us in other ways.

They are silencing us for not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’. Each and every one of you women who stand in my way.

Each and every one of you, let me just tell you, You will be annihilated. So if you want to stand in my way, be ready, ready, ready to watch the back of my arse as I walk away from you. As I walk ahead of you. You are eclipsed. Every single last one of you.

With some context I think we can see that she is certainly angry that women and girls are being inadequately safeguarded. She is saying that she thinks people who are supposed to be safeguarding and protecting women and girls are failing at their jobs.

She talks about how in the past, some ( and by the way, unless you are determined to make a very bad faith leap of interpretation here it is not 'all') males with sexual fetishes that exposed themselves to girls and women and other sexual acts, were recognised as 'creepy'. But now, those offenders are being enabled, and are very much getting harder for children and women to label as 'creepy' because children and women are having their sexual boundaries lowered.

She is obviously very upset that she has to deal with the police for something she still has not talked about.

And she is angry at a group of feminists who are trying to bully her into silence. For not quite the ‘right message’. Not working with the ‘right people’. Not talking to the ‘right people’.

And anniliated here certainly would have to be a very bad faith take to be read as physical destruction. She is talking about leaving them behind and forging ahead. So, quite clearly a literary device of hyperbole. Like we see used on this board very often.

Funny how some posters who use it probably will not recognise it.

I think it looks a bit different when the context is added back in, but I know that others will disagree.

Have we worked out yet what it was that suggestions wanted us to ‘see’ in their post?

”If people can not discern the problems themselves with that straightforward, simple language, verbatim Posie Parker quote, no amount of academic explanation will illuminate them.”

Are we really to believe that her use of ‘annihilate’ to mean cause physical harm? That sounds like desperation to me.

And that her discussion about how males who exposed themselves to women and girls in the past could be called creeps, but not anymore. Are we supposed to believe that was bigoted?

Particularly not if they do so in a female single sex spaces where those males are welcomed in many instances?

Was that supposed to be the interpretation? It really seemed a desperate over reach.

namitynamechange · 20/03/2023 21:10

OK. So we have 1 FtM fascist and one MtF fascist. That balances the books rather. But also this (from the American case):
"But he [the judge] added: “None of us have suffered the difficult situation this defendant has endured as a result of his gender identity confusion.… The judge’s decision not to incarcerate Parker-Dipeppe comes amid growing efforts to recognize transgendered people, including advocates’ celebration of Wednesday as International Transgender Day of Visibility."

andarounditgoesagain · 20/03/2023 21:14

OK, I've finished work, and the DC have gone up to their rooms. (I'm not gonna kid myself they're asleep, but as long as they're pretending to be, that's a compromise I can live with.)

I'll share the info I can find, that makes me think KJK is toxic. I know loads of you will say "oh, but she talks to everyone" or "she didn't know they were a nazi/white supremacist / whatever" or "purity spirals don't interest me".

But here's the thing. No other women's groups in the UK are facing these issues? Why aren't they "accidentally" showing up on racist channels, if it's such an easy mistake to take?

And, she doesn't talk to everyone. Can you find me a string of left wing commentators she's talking to? No. She's making no effort to talk to everyone, she's targeting the American religious right, trump supporters and the far right.

Why does that matter? If her aim is to make change, then she needs to target those with power and those who's minds we need to change. The far right and trump supporters don't need their minds changed. There's no political reason to target them.

Plus, the far right, are fucking racists. Do I have to explain why it's a bad idea to associate your feminist campaign with racists? I really hope not.

But I don't think KJK's underlying aim is to make change. I know others like her, in different fields, and she absolutely fits the mould of narc / self publicist. She's driven by a desire for publicity, adoration and £££. It's why the steward's comments chimed with me. I've long been worried that someone is going to get seriously hurt at a SFW event. And it's a fucking copout to say if a man does it, it'll be his fault alone. He will be responsible for his actions, for sure, but in addition, if you are running events, you have a responsibility to those who come along to try to make it as safe as possible for them. But I think not only is KJK not doing this, s\I think he's actively stirring up trouble because it gets her clicks - which her stewards and supporters have to deal with. She's using them, and putting them at risk, not for a noble cause, even, but for her own self-promotion.

Her own stewards were fundraising for body cams - while she's spending £700 a night on a hotel room for herself for her recent speakers corner event! Why isn't she buying them body cams out of her considerable SFW money? That doesn't add up to a woman who respects those who keep her safe, does it.

Also, where are her accounts? Shouldn't the women who donate, or pay extortionate membership fees have some idea where it goes? Why does KJK keep starting new companies, then closing them down before she has to show public accounts? Then starting a new, pretty much identical company? That stinks! Although I'm sure one of you will be along to justify it in a minute.

Anyway, to the evidence...

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 20/03/2023 21:15
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Helleofabore · 20/03/2023 21:15

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 20:46

<runs off to check the merkin gifs>

I don't know if this one is very Bond Villain.

Crikey!!! 👀

lifeturnsonadime · 20/03/2023 21:15

But here's the thing. No other women's groups in the UK are facing these issues?

Which other women's group is doing what KJK is doing, giving the Mic to all women?

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