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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish Parliament final debate on Gender Recognition Reform today

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ArabellaScott · 20/12/2022 10:37

At some point after 2pm, in the Big Room (the Chamber).

www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/whats-on-and-watch-live/whats-on#wm

Will be interesting to see how the Amendments go down, if they are all struck down as the ScotGov wishes - www.holyrood.com/news/view,gender-recognition-reform-crunch-vote-after-shona-robison-warns-msps-over-amendments

'the Scottish Conservatives have warned that the debate could lead to a "travesty of democracy" because a 15 minute time limit for each proposal will "shut down" discussion.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64032916

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Waitwhat23 · 21/12/2022 17:52

Mrskettleson · 21/12/2022 17:37

Ash Regan! I’ve no words! Only tears. That could not have been more clear.

Same. I cried most of the way through. She couldn't have been more clear and bloody brave. The fucking CHEEK of the Greens to sit shaking their heads at her point that males, as a sex class, pose a threat to women.

Chillyallday · 21/12/2022 17:54

Ash Regan is amazing! Thank god for women like her in this shitshow

littlbrowndog · 21/12/2022 17:57

Waitwhat23 · 21/12/2022 17:52

Same. I cried most of the way through. She couldn't have been more clear and bloody brave. The fucking CHEEK of the Greens to sit shaking their heads at her point that males, as a sex class, pose a threat to women.

That the cheeky fucking greens sneering

ArabellaScott · 21/12/2022 17:58

Ms Webber - Amendments - seek 72,73,74

Looking for guidance on when single sex spaces can be offered. Irrespective of a GRC.

Recent JR confirms a GRC has sex changed for all purposes, including under EA.

However Scottish gov claims this doesn't apply to certain single sex spaces.

They should highlight in which instances this applies.

A constituent is a disabled female who wishes female carer. How can she maintain her dignity? Public deserve clarity.

Examples? Current providers don't have this info. Legislation is never written in a language most can understand without lawyers. Language in plain English.

Cab Sec insists guidance is clear. This is obviously not the case.

We need clear guidance we can trust is lawful. Should be comprehensive. Ambiguity must be removed.

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ArabellaScott · 21/12/2022 18:00

Jamie Greene - I'm taking a break, fingers too cold again!

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ErrolTheDragon · 21/12/2022 18:00

Ffs, the example for single sex exceptions in the EA is perfectly clear. (As is the fact sports do not have to be mixed sex).

skippingthroughthedaisies · 21/12/2022 18:05

Recent JR confirms a GRC has sex changed for all purposes, including under EA.

Ramblingnamechanger · 21/12/2022 18:08

What about the male currently taking a role in ERC that was intended for a women? He is not uncertain about breaking down the exceptions , however uncertain that group is about applying it..

HopRockers · 21/12/2022 18:21

Which of you wrote to Jeremy Balfour? Super star ⭐️

GrouchyKiwi · 21/12/2022 18:24

Jeremy Balfour is one of my MSPs (he's one of the South Scotland "extras"). He said he's had a lot of emails etc from women who are concerned about it. I've been very pleased with his contributions over the past two days.

HopRockers · 21/12/2022 18:26

GrouchyKiwi · 21/12/2022 18:24

Jeremy Balfour is one of my MSPs (he's one of the South Scotland "extras"). He said he's had a lot of emails etc from women who are concerned about it. I've been very pleased with his contributions over the past two days.

He's been great. He's just quoted a charge nurse who has emailed after watching the debate - asking what she should do if an obviously male bank nurse shows up as a female nurse when she has female patients who have requested female only care

Ramblingnamechanger · 21/12/2022 18:29

Doesn’t matter whether obvious or not, shouldn’t happen.

Birdsweepsin · 21/12/2022 18:34

We now go live to the office for Fraudulent GRC applications....

excelpope.net/2022/12/21/at-the-edinbru-grc-office/

ArabellaScott · 21/12/2022 18:37

Birdsweepsin · 21/12/2022 18:34

We now go live to the office for Fraudulent GRC applications....

excelpope.net/2022/12/21/at-the-edinbru-grc-office/

Shock
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Whatthechicken · 21/12/2022 18:38

Courage calls to courage Ash Regan…thank you

ArabellaScott · 21/12/2022 18:38

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-64051235

Ash Regan's speech is on the BBC

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ArabellaScott · 21/12/2022 18:56

Right. Back.

Douglass Ross asking if discussion can be tabled for New Year.

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ArabellaScott · 21/12/2022 18:56

Convenor is warning D Ross that he's at risk of challenging the Presiding Officer.

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ArabellaScott · 21/12/2022 18:58

Skirting close to contempt of Parliament, says the Presiding Officer.

[Seems a bit strong]

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ArabellaScott · 21/12/2022 18:59

Presiding officer keeps muting the volume. Lots of dissent.

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Precipice · 21/12/2022 19:00

'Risk of challenge' and veering close to contempt of parliament for asking for more time for debate within the parliament? That sounds like a frightening approach. What on earth did Ross say?

HopRockers · 21/12/2022 19:01

Seems like they're all needing their tea...

brightdoodles · 21/12/2022 19:01

I was one of the many to write to Jeremy Balfour. Glad he's using some of the letters! Will there be a transcript some time to see who said what? Presumably yes, there must be a Scottish equivalent of Hansard ...

happydappy2 · 21/12/2022 19:02

Ross just asking if due to complexities matters could be moved to the New Year-to give time for considerations

ArabellaScott · 21/12/2022 19:04

Roz McCall is a carer ,now asking about whether there will be more extensions, when will they have the info so she can make arrangements.

3rd member to raise impact of this on family and carers.

All good points.

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