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Sex Equality and Equity Network - Gender crit network for civil servants.

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fromorbit · 10/11/2022 10:06

Important new initiative for government workers. This is where a huge fight back is going to happen in behind the scenes government, in memos and meetings. If we don't win in the civil service, it doesn't matter how many demos or cases we win, how many twitter threads we write, sooner or later sex differences will be erased. If you work in government/public sector get involved asp.

seen-network.uk/

"We are happy to announce the launch of our new UK cross-government staff network, the Sex Equality and Equity Network.
SEEN is a staff network committed to promoting and supporting sex equality and equity between women and men in our workplaces, and helping all staff to thrive at work and fulfil their potential. The focus of our network is on challenging sex discrimination and upholding rights and protections that relate to sex (including the protections provided to those with the protected characteristics of sex, pregnancy and maternity and sexual orientation, as set out in the Equality Act 2010). We recognise that to achieve this and ensure sex equality and equity sometimes requires treating women and men differently, according to our different rights and needs.

We are also committed to the protected belief (covered by the protected characteristic of religion and belief in the Equality Act 2010) that biological sex is binary and immutable, that biological sex matters for both women and men in our everyday lives, including for our rights and needs in the workplace, and that biological sex must not be conflated with, or replaced by, the concepts of gender or gender identity."

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Borderlinehungry · 06/12/2022 14:37

pattihews · 06/12/2022 12:41

Is it possible for the person who was howled down to politely remind everyone who howled that a) GC opinions are recognised as being worthy of respect in a democratic society, b) the Forstater case has established that it's perfectly acceptable to express this view in the workplace and c) the howlers could be understood to be discriminating and, if they keep doing, harassing?

Yes, maybe something like this from upthread (which I’m keeping in my back pocket for when the need arises, but would like others to use so I’m less outed 😏)

As civil servants, we need to act with impartiality, regardless of our personal beliefs. We also need to be aware that, just as those beliefs, widely held on this yammer thread, are protected under the Equality Act 2010, so are the beliefs that biological sex is binary and immutable, and that biological sex matters, including in the workplace.

We need to be cognisant that there is likely to be diversity of belief in our workplace, just as there is diversity of belief in the population we serve, and should be careful to avoid behaviour that may cross the line into bullying, harassment or discrimination against those whose beliefs are different to our own.

Scientistranswidow · 06/12/2022 15:35

Talking about "howling down", can people who are on Twitter and know me please appeal to AtElonMusk and AtTwitterSupport to get me reinstated? I am and will always be AtSTranswidows (in the plural). Please translate into "Twitter" lingo. Thank you for your help!

Scientistranswidow · 06/12/2022 15:37

Can I please ask for support to be reinstated on Twitter? I am suspended - which could be indefinite because they are very capricious. I am STranswidows. Thank you for any help you can give. Pl leave this post, mod. Thank you.

dandelionthistle · 07/12/2022 12:22

Borderlinehungry · 06/12/2022 14:37

Yes, maybe something like this from upthread (which I’m keeping in my back pocket for when the need arises, but would like others to use so I’m less outed 😏)

As civil servants, we need to act with impartiality, regardless of our personal beliefs. We also need to be aware that, just as those beliefs, widely held on this yammer thread, are protected under the Equality Act 2010, so are the beliefs that biological sex is binary and immutable, and that biological sex matters, including in the workplace.

We need to be cognisant that there is likely to be diversity of belief in our workplace, just as there is diversity of belief in the population we serve, and should be careful to avoid behaviour that may cross the line into bullying, harassment or discrimination against those whose beliefs are different to our own.

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Fully agree and also keeping in my back comment.

Couple of questions (unrelated to the quote above - just trying to restrict myself to a single post!) -

  1. Have others heard back from SEEN re their request to join? I filled in the form on their website that first weekend (however long ago this thread was started) and haven't heard anything - is that normal, or is it worth me trying again now?
  1. This thread seems to be attracting a lot of posts which don't follow the conversation, and which don't obviously relate to SEEN or the civil service - is there a reason for this?
dandelionthistle · 07/12/2022 12:23

Keeping in my back pocket, even. So much for a single post!

LK1972 · 07/12/2022 13:02

@dandelionthistle I've chased yesterday and got this in response:
'Sorry for the delay we're still setting up our data process, but hope to get back to everyone soon. Your request has not been forgotten!'

So all seems fine Smile

Elephant2981 · 07/12/2022 15:28

Any lurkers here from MOD or any of its constituent parts?

EnoughPlayingNice · 07/12/2022 16:25

I got an email acknowledging my request pretty quickly - couple of days, I think.

oliver123 · 07/12/2022 16:26

Long-time lurker here. Yep, I’m at one of MoD’s ALBs - we are quite captured….

blockedonoursystems · 07/12/2022 17:20

Waves at @Elephant2981 and @oliver123 - me!!!

oliver123 · 07/12/2022 17:24

@blockedonoursystems @Elephant2981 👋👋👋 back….

dandelionthistle · 07/12/2022 17:27

LK1972 · 07/12/2022 13:02

@dandelionthistle I've chased yesterday and got this in response:
'Sorry for the delay we're still setting up our data process, but hope to get back to everyone soon. Your request has not been forgotten!'

So all seems fine Smile

Ah great, thanks! Yes @EnoughPlayingNice I got that holding reply quite quickly too but it seemed quite a long time to not have heard anything further.

Elephant2981 · 07/12/2022 17:49

oliver123 · 07/12/2022 17:24

@blockedonoursystems @Elephant2981 👋👋👋 back….

Thanks both, PM'd you

greeboclovis · 07/12/2022 20:21

👋👋👋👋 @Elephant2981 @oliver123 @blockedonoursystems

Frecklefacestrawberry · 07/12/2022 20:35

Any DfE people here?

oliver123 · 07/12/2022 20:57

👋 @greeboclovis 😊

blockedonoursystems · 07/12/2022 21:24

Hi @greeboclovis

Birdsweepsin · 11/12/2022 22:17

Tomorrow's Telegraph: One million civil service days a year ‘wasted on equality and diversity training’

Sex Equality and Equity Network - Gender crit network for civil servants.
Sex Equality and Equity Network - Gender crit network for civil servants.
Birdsweepsin · 11/12/2022 22:18

Last bit

Sex Equality and Equity Network - Gender crit network for civil servants.
Princessglittery · 12/12/2022 14:25

The big question is how those 1 million training days are split across the 9 protected characteristics.

CrookedRiver · 12/12/2022 15:53

I'm from a highly captured MOD ALB.

greeboclovis · 12/12/2022 19:46

CrookedRiver · 12/12/2022 15:53

I'm from a highly captured MOD ALB.

ALB?

ABrotherWhoLooksLikeHellMugYou · 12/12/2022 20:15

greeboclovis · 12/12/2022 19:46

ALB?

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Arms length body.

An org affiliated with government but not pure civil service. Like the environment agency.

greeboclovis · 13/12/2022 07:51

Aaah thanks!